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Now they are after ALL diesels:


From the article: "The proposal by staff of the California Air Resources Board would further require that, by 2035, medium- and heavy-duty trucks entering ports and railyards must be zero emission and that state and local government fleets be so by 2027."

That would mean all state/local diesel fire engines would have to be off the road by 2027. How do you think that's going to work out?
 

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They just don`t care.
 

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I've said many a time, CARB will be the demise of CA.
A non-elected entity with no boundaries or accountability (nor common sense for that matter).
 

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That would mean all state/local diesel fire engines would have to be off the road by 2027. How do you think that's going to work out?
That's not what the proposed regulation says. It applies to additions to a fleet not the fleet itself. So by 2027, any new fire engines purchased by a fire department would have to be zero-emission vehicles, it doesn't say that they have to get rid of the existing diesel engines by 2027.

1. State and Local Government Fleets
• Applies to California cities, counties, public utilities, special districts, local agencies or districts, and State government agencies that own a Class 2b-8 vehicle.
o Excludes federal agencies, which are regulated under the high priority and federal fleet requirements.
When adding vehicles to their California fleet, affected fleet owners must only add ZEVs per the following schedule.
o Fleets outside designated low-population counties: 50 percent of the total number of vehicle additions must be ZEVs beginning January 1, 2024, increasing to 100 percent beginning January 1, 2027.
o Fleets in designated low-population counties: 100 percent of the total number of vehicle additions must be ZEVs beginning January 1, 2027.



Not defending the proposal in anyway, just clarifying what it actually says.
 

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That's not what the proposed regulation says. It applies to additions to a fleet not the fleet itself. So by 2027, any new fire engines purchased by a fire department would have to be zero-emission vehicles, it doesn't say that they have to get rid of the existing diesel engines by 2027.

1. State and Local Government Fleets
• Applies to California cities, counties, public utilities, special districts, local agencies or districts, and State government agencies that own a Class 2b-8 vehicle.
o Excludes federal agencies, which are regulated under the high priority and federal fleet requirements.
When adding vehicles to their California fleet, affected fleet owners must only add ZEVs per the following schedule.
o Fleets outside designated low-population counties: 50 percent of the total number of vehicle additions must be ZEVs beginning January 1, 2024, increasing to 100 percent beginning January 1, 2027.
o Fleets in designated low-population counties: 100 percent of the total number of vehicle additions must be ZEVs beginning January 1, 2027.


They replace multiple engines every year...where do you think they will be getting new ones? Starting in 2027 all diesel fire engines, which is 99.9% of them are going to start disappearing. Spin that crap any way you want, but if that goes through good luck on your fire season from there on out. They'll also have to start buying electric sedans for command and control rigs. How do you think that will work?
 

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They replace multiple engines every year...where do you think they will be getting new ones? Starting in 2027 all diesel fire engines, which is 99.9% of them are going to start disappearing. Spin that crap any way you want, but if that goes through good luck on your fire season from there on out. They'll also have to start buying electric sedans for command and control rigs. How do you think that will work?

Just like in civilian vehicles, betting there will be a big increase in refurbished vehicles.
 

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They replace multiple engines every year...where do you think they will be getting new ones? Starting in 2027 all diesel fire engines, which is 99.9% of them are going to start disappearing. Spin that crap any way you want, but if that goes through good luck on your fire season from there on out. They'll also have to start buying electric sedans for command and control rigs. How do you think that will work?
I'm not trying to spin anything. I'm just clarifying that there is a significant difference between "having to be off the road by 2027" and "going to start disappearing in 2027."
 

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Just like in civilian vehicles, betting there will be a big increase in refurbished vehicles.
They'll have to I guess, because electric fire engines that will work for the state mission simply don't exist. At some point the existing rigs will give up the ghost and there will be no replacement.
 

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They'll have to I guess, because electric fire engines that will work for the state mission simply don't exist. At some point the existing rigs will give up the ghost and there will be no replacement.

They work in LaLa land. I agree, it's stupidity.
 
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