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  1. The Mad Duck

    The Mad Duck Elite Refuge Member

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    Mama always said...Stupid is as stupid does
     
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  2. Dirtybird420

    Dirtybird420 Elite Refuge Member

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    I’m just glad they finally found a racist black guy. For the longest time I’ve been told only whites are racist.
     
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  3. Wood-Dro

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    And there it is, all this social justice racist outrage is just for show. Nothing matters to them except what political party you are. They know they have no platform, so they try to side with topics that are outrageous and difficult to debate.
     
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  4. BigSkyDuk

    BigSkyDuk Elite Refuge Member

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    Fixed it for you.
     
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  5. fowlwhacker

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    then I question whether we still have a republic as our election process appears to be par with third world dictatorships as well as our freedom of speech any more.
     
  6. fowlwhacker

    fowlwhacker Elite Refuge Member

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    dems despite blacks who don't go along the party lines. Uncle Tom types. they are not black enough if they don't follow along as they are supposed to and align with the democratic agenda.
     
  7. blacktail

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    Typical Liberal mentality. Keep the rich white guy in charge to handle the people of color.
    No reason to have a person of color do it. What would he know?? Especially a person of color who is also a white supremacist:l
    There is an awful lot of stupid people.
     
  8. WoodieSC

    WoodieSC North/South Carolina Flyway Forum Moderator

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    Yes, there are, and, unfortunately, there is no way to keep those dipwads from relocating like they are to other States. The saying is the "Elections have consequences"... so, one of those ought to be that if you voted for for dipwad politicians, you shouldn't be able to move until they leave office... or at least you should have to pay taxes to that State no matter where you live as long as your choice is in office.
     
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  9. J.Bennett

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    There was absolutely nothing to suggest that this was not a "fair" election. The results are in line with the polls for the last few weeks and exactly the results that anyone who knows anything about CA politics would expect given the political leanings of the state and who the favorite to replace Newsom was. I don't think that this vote is a reflection of how many folks here wanted to replace Newsom as much as it is a reflection of how much folks here did not want a Trump surrogate as the governor. Most independents (23% of voters in CA), and a good chunk of moderate Democrats were fed up with Newsom. The problem is that a lot of the independents and none of the Democrats were fed up to the point that they would hand the office to someone as conservative as Elder. The polls showed that the recall could go either way up until the point that it became apparent to Democrats and independents (as well as some moderate Republicans) that if the recall was successful, Elder would be a shoe in as the next governor of CA and that was not acceptable to them. Elder's position in the polls motivated many Dems that probably would not have voted to vote and also caused many independents and moderates (both R and D) who would have voted for the recall to vote against it.

    CA is a funny state. From the outside looking in (and admittedly, sometimes from the inside looking out) it appears to be way more left of center than it actually is. There are a lot of moderate Dems and Repubs here and almost a quarter of all voters are registered independent. A moderate Republican could get elected here if he/she appealed to enough of the independents, the problem currently is that both parties seem to end up with the candidates that the far right/left want rather than the candidates that might not be what either extreme want, but will appeal to a broader range of voters.
     
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    Sounds like all of those "moderates" preferred the caricature of a guy like Newsome over Elder instead of the men themselves......

    Gavin Newsom’s White Privilege
    Instead of debating ideas, progressives call Larry Elder a white supremacist.

    By
    Sept. 13, 2021 6:36 pm ET

    If the polls going into Tuesday’s recall election in California hold up, Gavin Newsom will keep his job as governor. But if he does, no one should ever again take seriously progressive complaints about white privilege.

    Because if white privilege is a thing, Mr. Newsom is drenched in it. Mr. Newsom’s father was a well-connected state judge who once managed one of the trusts for the family of oil magnate J. Paul Getty. As for his son, the Los Angeles Times says that “a coterie of San Francisco’s wealthiest families has backed him at every step of his rise.” This privilege is reflected in the $70 million Mr. Newsom raised to fight the recall—more than five times the $13 million raised by his leading challenger, Republican Larry Elder.


    “California has become the epicenter of neo-feudalism, and Newsom symbolizes this new autocracy,” says Joel Kotkin, a fellow in urban studies at Chapman University in Orange County. “The irony is that Elder is attacked as the candidate of the rich and greedy by this new elite—high tech, teachers unions, the media and some of the state’s wealthiest citizens.”
    Covid has put this privilege in stark relief. While many of California’s public schools remained closed, for example, Mr. Newsom’s own children were at a private school that offered in-person learning. Perhaps the governor’s most Marie Antoinette moment came when he was caught flouting his own guidelines by dining out with a group of lobbyists at the French Laundry, where, the New York Times reports, “dinner for two costs more than many people earn in a week.”

    In sharp contrast, Mr. Elder is a talk-radio host whose father, a former Marine, took two jobs as a janitor to support his family before opening a small cafe. Mr. Elder grew up in South Central L.A., and his former high school was featured in the 1991 film “Boyz n the Hood.” If elected, Mr. Elder would be California’s first African-American governor.

    So guess who’s the white supremacist in this race?

    In August the Los Angeles Times published an opinion column headlined: “Larry Elder is the Black face of white supremacy. You’ve been warned.” A few days later, MSNBC’s Joy Reid accused Mr. Elder of falling victim to “white supremacist narratives.” Another Times columnist attacked Mr. Elder for promoting the “white grievance politics” of David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan. Last Thursday a white woman wearing a gorilla mask showed up at an event to harass Mr. Elder. She threw an egg at his head. Not a peep of protest was heard from progressives.

    Yet far more interesting than Mr. Elder’s race is that he calls himself a “small ‘l’ libertarian.” The tragedy of this recall is that California voters never heard a full debate over what he means by that. Because if tearing down privilege is the goal, a healthy dose of libertarianism is the ticket. For the antidote to privilege is competition and opportunity.

    Take housing. Of all the reasons people are leaving California, the high cost of owning a home tops the list. Mr. Elder hopes to bring down costs by increasing supply, and he proposes to do that by reducing the environmental regulations that make it so hard for anything to get built. The green policies so favored by progressives tend to benefit the rich at the expense of the poor.

    Or take education. The recent scores from the National Assessment of Educational Progress show that progressive California isn’t working for its Black and Latino children, with some of the nation’s largest racial achievement gaps. “If we determine racism by results, our public education system is among the most racist in America,” says Will Swaim, president of the free market California Policy Center.

    This failing structure is fiercely protected by the teachers unions, which naturally back Mr. Newsom. By contrast Mr. Elder’s “small ‘l’ libertarianism” would give all kids the choice to attend a good school, whether public, private or religious.

    Put it this way: If you’re one of the haves, California—with its beautiful weather, healthy lifestyle and great outdoors—has much to enjoy. But if you’re middle class, or aspiring to become middle class, Californian progressivism keeps you struggling.

    With all this, Gavin Newsom should not lose this recall because of any privileges he may enjoy by being white and well-connected. He should lose because he champions the same dreadful policies that have priced the California Dream out of reach for so many of its hard-working residents.

    For the same reason, Larry Elder ought not to be elected because he would become the first black governor of California. He ought to be elected because his market-oriented prescriptions are just the tonic for this ailing state.

    Alas, California never had a good hard debate on policy because some of the blue elite in this bluest of states preferred to paint a black Republican as a white supremacist. Even worse, they did it secure in the knowledge that no progressive would ever call them on it.

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