Did you see the article in the Demazet today?

Just remember, the AGFC did not close any areas to hunting. It is business as usual for duck hunters.

 

Explain how "It is business as usual in Dagmar for duck hunters? If it was business as usual then the Game & Fish would have left it just like it was when it was business as usual. But as it is now, we have a new birder observation trails built right down the side of the rest area which used to be closed completely to everyone when duck season was in, but now that the birders have showed up, the waterfowl rest area is now no longer off limits for birders to be on, still of limits to hunters, but not bird watchers? Also, we have other birder trails built right thru the Greentree resiovior where duck hunters are going to hunt. And more trail to be built as needed? That is like putting the Hatfields & McCoys togather in the same place! We have went in & improved roads, trimmed trees, and improved parking areas so the large tour busses used by the Birder Guides can now get to these areas. We are even working on a tourist information building that will be built right on the WMA by what the paper said, if that information is correct.

But most of all, we have done all this mentioned above so commercial enitys can use the WMA for a profit making busssiness & the Game & Fish has not only gave their stamp of approval to this but it seems they are doing everything they can to promote it!

We have had to begg & plead with the Game & Fish for years to even get a pump put in the Greentree so we might have some water in it if the river didn't come and after we finnally got one, they used it one year until it broke down and that was the end of that. We have ask time & time again for some improved ramps inside the WMA, one of which is in the very location where the new birder trail is now located on Mud Slough. Cannot have a good ramp, it was to much trouble, but we can build a birder trail at the drop of the hat! We have ask for years for control structures on Bayou DeView & Robe to help flood the area and we told 'No it cann't be done because it would flood water out on Private land & we cann't do that!" Now look at the deal now! The very people who own the private ground that we could not flood have now quit their Commercial Duck Operation and are now going to run a Commercial Birder Guiding Operation on the very WMA that could not be flooded for duck hunters before?

Yep, It's business as usual for Duck Hunter! If we want something then it just cannot seem to happen! If someone else wants something then it Bend Over Backwards to give it to them. What ever it takes, they get it, No questions ask. If it is something we have, we now have to share. If it is something they want & was not there before, they get it! And in the end when the two have problems using the same areas, wonder who will be ask to step aside? All the above has been done in short order for the needs of the birders & as stated more will be done as needed, all the while the duck hunters & sportsmans have wanted & wanted & wanted & just had to wait because it was deemed not needed!

Don't take a brain surgeon to figure this one out! We can allready see where the Game & Fish is putting their eggs just from what they have done for the birders in just a short time & by what they have done for & to the Duck Hunters in the long history of the past.

Yep, It's going to business as usual of the Duck Hunters & from business of the past & from the action of the G&F in the short present we can see where it's going!


And all for something no one has even proved is even there till this date!!!!

 

i take it you are with the game and fish? is it business as usual to put out false information to the public? are you their "mouthpiece"? sent to read the boards to keep up with what the public thinks of the game and fish? sent to try to appease disgruntled hunters? if so you won't like what you read here. sent to put out false information hoping we, the hunters, will believe it? well spew away. it gotten to the point we can't believe anything the game and fish tell us and that's bad and makes the messenger look even worse.


tell us about the woody peckerwood guiding permits for wma's. tell us why it's ok for one group to make money on a wma by guiding and it's not ok for another to do the same. tell us about the road built on the wma that was supposed to only be a 4 wheeler trail. tell us why it's ok for those people to be able to cut/trim/dig trees on a wma when hunters aren't allowed to do that. it's all about money. and who's getting it.







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I almost hate to jump in here ... I have and always will support the Game and Fish Commission.

Thing is, I don't really believe this guy is with AG&FC or they surely would have done something to doctor the TWO post thing

Don't bite this bullet, someone is jerking our local chain

Remember, we can always sign in as a newbie, but it takes cods to let everyone know who you are and be proud of it

Excuse me, but cods ... may have to "dd's" in this case

 

whatever the case may be charlie, support them or not the are giving out false information on what is and has gone on down in woody peckerwood land. if i did support them it would stop when they didn't tell the truth because i hate a liar much like a thief. and they have not told us the truth.


old

 

Sounds like somebody is getting called out.

 

calling a spade a spade and trying to get the truth from the game and fish and that's like pulling teeth. they don't want to give up the truth or maybe they don't know the truth. or wouldn't know it if it was looking them in the face. it's sad.


old

 

Yes, AGFC Keith is with the Game & Fish Commision. His name is Keith Stephens. He is Asst. Chief of Communications with the G&F. He also post on other sites using the same log on name. He is listed as the official spokes person for the Game & Fish & he is the one who spoke on behalf of the AGFC in the article printed in the Arkansas Democrate-Gazzette article in todays paper.

The problem I have with the whole deal is that the Game & Fish advoided every issue that has been looked at which puts any kind of regulations or restrictions on the OTHER group of users of the WMA. They have never had any trouble putting into place what ever was needed to regulate the Consumtive users of the areas, but when the very mention of putting something into place that even has the apperance of a regulation on the non-consuptive users, they get a sudden case of the Stupids! And now it seems like not only are they not going to do anything at all to regulate this issue, they have now moved 180% in the direction to promote some of the same issues that they have addressed in the past for consuptive user & they have put regulations in place to stop it & make it illegal. They just plain run scared from these folks. They won't even make them stay off the WMA during a pemit hunt, they won't make them wear hunter orange when they are on it during a permit hunt, they won't address the Guiding issue on the WMA when it was on the agenda, they just tabled it. They won't do anything but what ever they want & they move fast on getting them what they want. The cannot seem to find any money in their system to do what the Consuptive users have wanted for years, but it seems that they can dig deep to try to find money to build a new welcome center to greet the new users of the area that are coming to see something that has not even been proven to even exsist to the general public. Now how are we suppose to feel?


The very statement as it was made was to let us know we need to be glad we can still even hunt on the WMA. Do we need to get down & praise them for that? Do we need not be dissatisified with them because they have bent over backwards to promote Private Commercial Business on a public WMA? Do we need not have some ill feelings at them because one group can speak as to their wishes & just like majic it appears & we as the other group cannot ever seem to get anything? Do we need not to be saddened because we were the ones that brought them to the dance in the first place but now they have choose to dance with someone else? Do we need to be happy in the fact that we are only told what then think we need to be told & that no straight answers can be given to direct questions on any matters related to this issue? Do we need to be elated that private deals with people are worked out behind closed doors & that questions on these matters fall on deaf ears & are answered by personal that are only told to say what they were instructed to? And finally do we need to jump with joy because we now have to be co- users of the WMA with a group of people who can do what they want, when they want, where they want, & how they want at their wish & we can co-use it having to stay under the current regulations we have & adbide by them & the new ones to come while they stand side by side with us doing what ever they want?


Does one not think we have a reason to be disatisfied at all in the handling of this matter on the WMA?


Or should we just be happy that we can hunt as of right now and belive nothing has chaged & is business as usual?

 

All I know is this:

I grew up in Des Arc, and as such I had several friends who hunted ducks on the Cache most of their lives. They and their fathers, grandfathers, etc. have done so almost religiously for decades, and now life as they knew it has changed forever in the name of a bird which no one is truly sure whether they have seen or not.

It's not so much an indictment of the AGFC as it is our legal system. You can "intervene" in the name of the most retarded things you could possibly list nowadays. The sad part is that the groups which will do so will end up enforcing their agendas thru the AGFC and USFWS.

 

Didn't mean to make anyone mad. You can still duck hunt in Dagmar without any restrictions like those in the Cache River NWR. That's the bottom line. By the way, I do work for the AGFC and I'm an avid duck hunter.