Did you see the article in the Demazet today?

Discussion in 'Arkansas Flyway Forum' started by Duckman Dan, Nov 13, 2005.

  1. olduckhunter

    olduckhunter Elite Refuge Member

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    i think you do.


    speak of the devil. ok will you let/take lead or let go into the area a person to take pictures of the area where the road was? where the work has been done? and will you let that person come on and post for all to see? because of health considerations here i can't but i think i know a person that would love to go see up close the area in question. and will you tell who all has permits to guide the peckerwood people? and if there are permits out and they are making money by guiding peckerwood people on the wma there why can't the duck guides come back and do the same? not that i'm for that. i was against it and i'm against the peckerwood guides.



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  2. Duck Undertaker

    Duck Undertaker Elite Refuge Member

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    Exactly, and because of this does anyone care to make a guess on how many acres will get closed to hunting next year?
     
  3. duckwho

    duckwho Senior Refuge Member

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  4. stumpy waters

    stumpy waters Elite Refuge Member

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    Keith,

    There was one more question, but you may not have a anwer to this one.

    How long will the AGFC continue to support the woodpecker without someone actually providing proof positive that the bird exists?
    There is a lot of money being poured into this to recover a bird no one can even find, to recover. How long will this be allowed to go on without someone bringing a photo to the table that relinquishes all doubt? At some point there has to be a responsibility check placed on the money being spent. I just want to know what that timeframe is.

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  5. AGFC Keith

    AGFC Keith New Member

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    Stumpy,
    There's no timeframe on this issue. The researchers will be out in the Cache River NWR this winter looking for that evidence, proving once and for all, that the Ivory-billed Woodpecker is indeed still alive and in the area. Obviously, there will come a time that things may be scaled back if more evidence is not found. Just remember, that the AGFC has not closed any state land to hunting in relation to the Ivory-billed Woodpecker. I can't emphasize that enough.

    Old DH,
    I'll try to answer your questions as best I can. Feel free to go out to any of our public lands and take any pictures you feel like shooting. We encourage the public to use the state's natural resources. That's why they were purchased. I'm not sure what your question is about permits, but we don't require permits to bird watch. Hope this helps.
     
  6. Longstory

    Longstory Senior Refuge Member

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    Talk about plum freeking nut, chew on this bitter pecan!


    You mean to tell me that someone has positive proof of the Birds existance & they don't want it released? :rolleyes:

    I was at the meeting in Brinkley last year & heard the man put up a 1 million dollar offer to anyone that could provide positive proof & provide the location of it.

    That is $1,000,000.00 US.

    That is just one offer pending on this deal. Let's see, we also have National Geographic & USA Today putting up rewards for proof positive photo evidence. That is not counting the royalties off the evidence that will come to the person/s that have it as you say, but won't release it. Then you have the one who are allready winners in the game as it stands right now wanting things to keep rolling as are & keep reaping the rewards and those are Cornell University, USF&W Service, AG&F Commission and the private Commercialization of the Bird. Someone either has to be a fool for not releasing it if it exsist or maybe it to is just like the positive evendice we have all seen so far, very questionable to say the least or has been determined to not even been what they first thought it was to begin with!

    It would be foolish if proof exsisted to keep it under wraps. With all the heat that is on this issue right now, they are fools if they had such evidence that could put down the fires, put this issue back to stage center, & they would have a blank check from now on. With all this on the line, you beat your last dollar they would show it if they had it. There is too much on the line for them not to show it if they had it right now. They are not showing it because it don't exsist. All the are doing is trying to buy more time & keep milking the cow.


    This deal is starting to shape up like Old President Bush screaming about them weapons of mass destruction when he wanted us to go to war. Thats all we heard & he rode it all the way. But now that we have got where we are & no weapons have been found, a new course of action has been taken & the original agenda is no longer important that got us there in the first place.

    Is that where we are going here? Use this agenda as long as possible. Release information that we have proof of the deal, just like the Goverment did on the weapons, tell everyone we have to do this because, & in the end when it pans out to be false they can then say they are on a new course of action because they have allready put things in place to do this using the false deal to do it by!

    There is no evidence! If there was they would release it now! To much at stake on this issue if this the issue they are out to prove! I don't think this is what this is all about. There is another agenda in play here & the Woodpecker is not it!

    Cappiecoo, Being your in the know, tell folks about what is happening at Tinsall NWR in LA as we speak. Seems they now have their own version of the Woody deal starting up down there. It started just like ours did & has started going the same dirrection our has. But they have no proof of it either. Comment on this if you know anything? What about the Big Thicket are in Texas. Belive there is also other areas in Mississippi. Alabama, Georgia, & Florida that I have heard about & all with NWR's in them.


    Do you all see a pattern developing here. Birder spots missing bird on NWR. Big annoucment made by the powers that be. New rule & reg's put into place in area to protect bird that no proof of it exist, keep it going & reap in big rewards for protection & studies, and in the end none will produce a bird but the new agenda will be meet!


    In the words of the great state of Missorri,

    "SHOW ME OR SHUT UP!!!!!!"
     
  7. Tim_snapple76

    Tim_snapple76 Elite Refuge Member

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    Well i read as far as i could...& i've made my decision. Ole woodypeckerwood comes in to our spread, we gonna light him up! Problem solved with him. Get him mounted and see how peta thinks about that one :nutz :l

    I think peta has paid agfc.

    Dammmm Peckerwood!
     
  8. Beanpole

    Beanpole Senior Refuge Member

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    Tensas National Wildlife Refuge near Tallulah LA

    It is the last known siting of the IBWP. 70K acres of prime hunting area. One of the first NWR to require a National Bowhunter Education course for all archery hunters.

    Home to the LA Black Bear although there is private lands 20 miles to north that hold 3 times the number of bears on 3000 acres than Tensas has on 70K.

    I think that offer of 1 million for an IBWP pictures is still good. I need a cash infusion since I can't duck hunt where I used to go!!
     
  9. PBGaddy

    PBGaddy Senior Refuge Member

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    I know you're kidding (I hope), but I think you're making a stretch to say that peta was involved in this. However, the more hunters we have espousing brilliant ideas like your's, the better the chances that the real radicals will get involved. We are our own worst enemy. Right now we're dealing with a few annoying bird watchers and some minor changes to refuge regulations (in my opionion anyway). Keep on bragging about lighting up woody and we'll be dealing with really annoying peta and humane society of US protestors, lawsuits, and very restrictive regulations. I know some of you prophesize that that's going to happen anyway, but behavior like this makes it a self-fulfilling phophecy.

    Longstory,
    I'm not sure I understand your question. I you want to know who is really running the show when it comes to woodpecker issues, I'd have to guess AGFC commissioners and high up officials in Washington D.C. are making a lot of the decisions. I don't know who they are listening to.
     
  10. Longstory

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