Dog shutting down

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  1. Greg Dwyer

    Greg Dwyer Refuge Member

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    At two recent training days I noticed my dog not taking angle in casts and instead going straight over or even angling back. We went out this AM for what I thought would be a fairly simple review with 7 piles, angle back right and left, over right and left, straight back and angle in right and left. Well within 15 minutes he could not get a single direction right. I’m not sure how he got so confused on this but I decided to pick up and go home. How long would you wait to try again? He is 3 yrs old and has a SH so he has had plenty of blind work. Would you try again in a few hours and simplify it to try and get his confidence back up? Thanks
     
  2. KwickLabs

    KwickLabs Elite Refuge Member

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    Apparently, too much? This might be a good time to try something more fun and brief. Walking baseball?

     
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    I would think after trying to remember all of those casts the dog would have mental fatigue. Combined with right & left that would be 14 different casts. I have never even heard of angled in casts, are those used on a return to handler?
     
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    Ask yourself, "What's in it for the dog"?
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    KwickLabs Elite Refuge Member

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    A retriever does not "remember" 14 different casts. Imagine yourself as the dog.
    Do you think I could "handle you" to a land blind without saying anything? :h
     
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  6. Greg Dwyer

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    Thanks for the replies. Jim thanks a lot for the video. Doc, I am not sure what you mean. The dog enjoys drills (when I haven’t confused him). He get to retrieve the bumper or bird, that seems to make him happy. Long shot, the back, angle back and overs we do constantly. The angle in not as much which was why I thought we needed to review. Sometimes it’s the most direct route to a blind so I think it is worth teaching.
     
  7. Long Shot

    Long Shot Senior Refuge Member

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    I would argue that a dog does not remember a cast. By that I mean the arm position to create a cast. If they don’t remember a cast then how do they take it?
     
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    OP; do you use the "come in whistle" with your "angled in" casts??? If not try it.
     
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  9. KwickLabs

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    When all else fails "identify" where you want the dog to go. This means
    have angle in bumpers "there" plus throw one "there". When he sees
    your angle in motion (cast/handle) often enough it will become a
    conditioned response (which it isn't right now).:h

    p.s. Don't forget to tell the dog how well he is doing. Be an animated
    and exciting trainer. :yes
     
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    This^^^^ is huge IMHO!!!!

    Evan Graham says that you need to get into your "feminine" side for this.

    My youngsters thrive on this. When they know they're pleasing you, they try harder for you.
     

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