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Getting Mad While Training Retrievers

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  1. Rick Hall

    Rick Hall Elite Refuge Member

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    Absolutely nothing pissed my ex- off like walking away. Fantastic tactic.
     
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    Been married since November 1985 to the same one and I dont go out of the way to get her angry.
    I was the one that said my vows so loudly that people heard me outside the church. Meant it.
     
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    I go out of the way to not get her angry.
     
  4. LADucks

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    It's by far my biggest weakness in training. I've gotten better, but I still have moments. I learned a lot of lessons on my first dog that I wish I didn't have to learn on him. We worked through them and he still loved me for it, but I wish I'd have been more fair. Nowadays I've learned that there's a 99.99% chance the dog isn't flipping me the bird for the heck of it. I've just failed somewhere in showing him what I want. It's a tough lesson to learn.... to look within and find your error, rather than look at the dog.
     
  5. KwickLabs

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    Many years ago a friend of mine said, "Your dog does not cheat the bank."....and asked
    "Could you help me?"

    So we met one day.....and he was asked to "Show me the issue." I threw a single on the
    other side of a round pond. The dog was sent and he (the dog) proceeded to run the bank
    all the way around, dive into the water, grab the mark, come back out of the water (over
    there) and run the bank back to him. In addition, the dog was "yipping" regularly all the way
    out and back (on the bank). :dohHe was very fast! I think he figured the faster he got back
    the sooner "corrections" would stop.

    Then I asked him (rather loudly), "What are you doing!!???" His answer was (drum roll), " I am
    correcting him." :jokerI should mention that he was running Finished HRC tests and not passing
    any because of this issue.

    Now in fairness to him (I mentioned this was many years ago), Dobbs had a process where a
    dog was taught to not cheat by using the e-collar. IF (big IF) you had the right dog and used the
    right method it worked for some. However, most who tried it had no clue of what the word
    finesse meant.

    I should qualify this by saying I have not used that method after I tried it on the next dog after
    the smart one. :l

    Dogs will tend to tell you when things are not going well. Some trainers have communication issues. :h

    The dog eventually got his HRCH title. :tu
     
  6. LADucks

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    My pup required this, but it was done with immediate supervision of a very experienced pro. He was actually holding the remote. He acknowledged that obviously isn’t the preferred way, but when the right dog with the right symptoms and right collar conditioning comes along, it can be a viable option. We had two testy sessions and moved right along. The rest is history.
     
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    Dorkweed Elite Refuge Member

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    TEACH, force, re-enforce/proof is what Evan preaches.

    Too many times here it's teach, FORCE, FRY!!!

    The e-collar is the most mis-understood and most abused tool in dog training.
     
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    Yep! This reminds me of a discussion from several years ago where the use of
    indirect pressure was being re-hashed.....and not well. :scratch

    Then someone made an attempt to explain in terms that might clarify it.

    It went like this.....

    A woman was expecting an important letter in the mail and decided to send
    her husband down to the mail box a good distance away.....to fetch the mail.

    He left the house and while strolling down the driveway he stopped to have
    a conversation with neighbor who was mowing the lawn. Pretty soon the wife
    decided to use some "indirect pressure" to have him fetch the mail.

    So she walks down the drive, walks up to her distracted husband and whacks
    him up side the head. His immediate reaction was "What the @@@@? Oh Yaaa!"
    and he turned around, walked briskly to the mail box and fetched the mail.

    That's an example of well applied and understood indirect pressure. :h
     
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    orangelegs73 Senior Refuge Member

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    Not to diminish your other posts, but this might very well be one of the best "dog stories" you've shared! :l
     
  10. Rick Hall

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    Coulda sworn that when Jerry posted it on RTF, the distraction was the neighbor's bikini clad daughter.
     

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