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- Nov 25, 2002
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- Klondike, Louisiana
Do you not FF your dogs?
Then again they are Chessies. I could see them giving the finger no matter how much pressure you decided on, lol.
Nope, I had reliably retrieving pointing dogs through habit built on play training, to include from waters such as Lake Erie and the Ohio River, long before owning my first "retriever," per se, getting serious about its training and looking into force-fetch. Finally did so in the mid '80s, at a time when many, if not most, pros were of the opinion that FF wasn't really complete until one had sparked a battle with the dog and come out the victorious lord and master. Pro trained dogs with ears scared by the likes of bottle caps or rivets on the fingers of welding gloves and some said pliers were still quite common, while other pros relied on red-resistored electricity to make Pup holler, er... open his mouth for the training buck, instead of first at least teaching "hold" by gentler means.
Would like to think most modern practitioners would walk out of seminars demonstrating such, as I twice did. But it's my impression that most current practice is still needlessly unpleasant for the pupil:
And my suspicion is that it's being so tough on Pup is at least part of the reason many are so adamant about its necessity. Who among us wants to put a beloved pet through misery unnecessarily? But, hey, the pros do it, so it must be necessary, right?
May very well be the best, if not only expedient, way for a pro dealing with whatever comes through the gate, but that's not necessarily so for those of us getting to start from scratch with our pups.
Re: Chessies and pressure, force of well conditioned habit alone has gotten us through a lot of real world pressures without getting flipped off:
(Given the current drought, odds are great that's going to be the scene coming out of our "pond" onto the dog stand again this year...)