Interview with an exorcist

[Quantrill]

I think his point was that if you had actually watched the video, it would have given you a different perspective. The Catholic Priest in the video states directly that he has no power, but that he is just the conduit through which the Lord works. That didn't sound to me as if it was "done in a very proud and boastful manner", as you suggested. But again, had you watched it, you would have seen how humble the man was.

I think if one gives his point and uses a video or link to support his point, it would be more responsible. In other words, you make yourself responsible for what is said in the video.

And, the humbleness of the one performing an exorcism is not all that I addressed. So, it seems you also ignore my post and just cherry pick what you want. It's common on forums. Cheap and easy knowledge. Just provide a link. Just provide a video. Makes me so smart.

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[Quantrill]

As sdk pointed out, I laughed because if you had watched the video or even glanced at the link you would see that it is not what you think. It's almost as if people are afraid to look at or read something about the Catholic church. People complain about media bias in everything. Well, there is more media bias and stereotypes against the Catholic church than virtually anything else in the world. We're used to it.

I don't respond to every point someone makes in long posts because it's not practical to dissect everything in a format like this. I have found it best to focus on the most misunderstood aspect of the message.

I would also add that exorcisms are done in VERY controlled situations with NO media, never alone, but with only a very few people present due to the risk presented by the demons involved. It is too dangerous to be taken lightly. They are not recorded because to do so risks glorifying Satan.

No, you laughed because you didn't want to respond to my post.

I am part of the Catholic Church. I am a believer in Christ. I am not part of the Roman Church. Hence, there is the problem. Why don't you want to call yourself 'Roman Catholic'? Why does the Roman Church want to call itself 'Catholic'?

I don't believe that. You respond to that which you believe you can support. And you ignore that which you can't.

An exorcism can be done by any believer. 'In the name of Jesus Christ leave this individual'. Very simple. No holy water. No incantations. Just the authority of Jesus Christ.

Quantrill

 

[The_Duck_Master]

An exorcism can be done by any believer. 'In the name of Jesus Christ leave this individual'. Very simple. No holy water. No incantations. Just the authority of Jesus Christ.

Quantrill

It says as much in the 2nd video, too. However, there are times when seeking the assistance of a trained expert is preferential to asking your 2nd cousin for assistance. Casting out demons might just be one of those IMO.

And to be clear why I didn't respond to your other comment about Catholic VS catholic (lower case) is because I already have. That is simply a matter of semantics.

 

[sdkidaho]

I think if one gives his point and uses a video or link to support his point, it would be more responsible. In other words, you make yourself responsible for what is said in the video.

And, the humbleness of the one performing an exorcism is not all that I addressed. So, it seems you also ignore my post and just cherry pick what you want. It's common on forums. Cheap and easy knowledge. Just provide a link. Just provide a video. Makes me so smart.

Quantrill

Pot
Kettle
Black

 

[Quantrill]

It says as much in the 2nd video, too. However, there are times when seeking the assistance of a trained expert is preferential to asking your 2nd cousin for assistance. Casting out demons might just be one of those IMO.

And to be clear why I didn't respond to your other comment about Catholic VS catholic (lower case) is because I already have. That is simply a matter of semantics.

I see no 'gift of exorcism' listed in the Bible. (Rom. 4:3-8) (1 Cor. 12:-14) (Eph. 4:7-16) No trained expert.

I have no problem with a believer seeking another believers help in this for whatever reasons. Possibly because one is new in the faith and needs a mature believers help. That can be with prayer and being physically present to help and support.

There is no office of 'exorcist'. Every believer has the Holy Spirit, thus every believer has the power at hand to exorcise. There are some demons where much prayer and fasting is involved. But here again, that is to every believer.

Do you call yourself Roman Catholic? Does the Catholic Church call itself Roman Catholic?

My point is, the Roman Church is not 'catholic' or 'Catholic'. It is part of the Catholic Church, the universal Church of Jesus Christ. But the Roman Church is Roman to the core.

As I said before, I am also part of the Catholic Church, the universal Church of Jesus Christ made up of all born-again believers. But I am not part of the Roman Church.

Quantrill

 

[The_Duck_Master]

I see no 'gift of exorcism' listed in the Bible. (Rom. 4:3-8) (1 Cor. 12:-14) (Eph. 4:7-16) No trained expert.

I have no problem with a believer seeking another believers help in this for whatever reasons. Possibly because one is new in the faith and needs a mature believers help. That can be with prayer and being physically present to help and support.

There is no office of 'exorcist'. Every believer has the Holy Spirit, thus every believer has the power at hand to exorcise. There are some demons where much prayer and fasting is involved. But here again, that is to every believer.

Do you call yourself Roman Catholic? Does the Catholic Church call itself Roman Catholic?

My point is, the Roman Church is not 'catholic' or 'Catholic'. It is part of the Catholic Church, the universal Church of Jesus Christ. But the Roman Church is Roman to the core.

As I said before, I am also part of the Catholic Church, the universal Church of Jesus Christ made up of all born-again believers. But I am not part of the Roman Church.

Quantrill

I have already explained the reasoning but you can argue semantics in the names if you wish.

For those who may not know, not all of those lumped in to be Roman Catholic, actually are Roman Catholic. For a practical purpose, the Catholic religion is the religion of the Catholic Church—i.e., that group of churches in communion with the pope.

Within the Catholic Church there are a number of individual churches, sometimes called rites. One of these is the Roman rite or Roman church. It includes most of the Catholics in the Western world. A Roman Catholic is a Catholic who is a member of the Roman rite.

There are many Catholics in the East who are not Roman Catholics, such as Maronite Catholics, Ukrainian Catholics, and Chaldean Catholics. These are all in communion with the pope, but they are not members of the Roman rite, so they are not Roman Catholics. They are equal. They all teach the same faith; it is only local customs that are different among them.

 

[Quantrill]

I have already explained the reasoning but you can argue semantics in the names if you wish.

For those who may not know, not all of those lumped in to be Roman Catholic, actually are Roman Catholic. For a practical purpose, the Catholic religion is the religion of the Catholic Church—i.e., that group of churches in communion with the pope.

Within the Catholic Church there are a number of individual churches, sometimes called rites. One of these is the Roman rite or Roman church. It includes most of the Catholics in the Western world. A Roman Catholic is a Catholic who is a member of the Roman rite.

There are many Catholics in the East who are not Roman Catholics, such as Maronite Catholics, Ukrainian Catholics, and Chaldean Catholics. These are all in communion with the pope, but they are not members of the Roman rite, so they are not Roman Catholics. They are equal. They all teach the same faith; it is only local customs that are different among them.

It's not 'semantics'. The Roman Church is not the 'catholic' or 'Catholic' church. The Roman Church does not, nor never has represented the universal Church of Jesus Christ. She wants to...oh yes. She wants the universal Church of Christ to be under her heel.

The term 'Roman Catholic' is an oxymoron. If a Roman Catholic is one who is a member of the 'Roman rite' then they no longer are Catholic. They are Roman.

If, as you say, there are those in the East who are Maronite or Ukranian or Chaldean, then they are not Catholic. They do not represent the universal Church of Christ which consists of all born-again believers

Communion with the pope means nothing as being part of Christ's universal or catholic Church. Being born-again places one in the universal or Catholic Church of Christ. Of which I am part of.

Again, Roman Catholic is an oxymoron. A distinct used to describe a universal. If a true believer is part of the Roman Church and born-again, then he is part of the Universal Church. There is no Roman Catholic Church. There is only the Roman church that wants to control the universal Church of Jesus Christ.

Qunatrill

 

[The_Duck_Master]

It's not 'semantics'. The Roman Church is not the 'catholic' or 'Catholic' church. The Roman Church does not, nor never has represented the universal Church of Jesus Christ. She wants to...oh yes. She wants the universal Church of Christ to be under her heel.

The term 'Roman Catholic' is an oxymoron. If a Roman Catholic is one who is a member of the 'Roman rite' then they no longer are Catholic. They are Roman.

If, as you say, there are those in the East who are Maronite or Ukranian or Chaldean, then they are not Catholic. They do not represent the universal Church of Christ which consists of all born-again believers

Communion with the pope means nothing as being part of Christ's universal or catholic Church. Being born-again places one in the universal or Catholic Church of Christ. Of which I am part of.

Again, Roman Catholic is an oxymoron. A distinct used to describe a universal. If a true believer is part of the Roman Church and born-again, then he is part of the Universal Church. There is no Roman Catholic Church. There is only the Roman church that wants to control the universal Church of Jesus Christ.

Qunatrill

It is apparent that both of us restating our positions will not be productive. I pray that one day your understanding and that of the Catholic church will one day be aligned. God bless. TDM

 

[Quantrill]

It is apparent that both of us restating our positions will not be productive. I pray that one day your understanding and that of the Catholic church will one day be aligned. God bless. TDM

What makes you thinks it is not aligned?

Quantrill