it’s not about weather. It’s private & public duck hotels up north

Discussion in 'Louisiana Flyway Forum' started by borntohunt, Nov 9, 2019.

  1. DComeaux

    DComeaux Senior Refuge Member

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    Apples and oranges.
     
  2. WuChang

    WuChang Elite Refuge Member

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    How is it different??
     
  3. WuChang

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    JJ--- you might have something going here

    Most of the Missouri WMA's are 4,000 acres or larger--- those that plant crops etc seem to plant around 400 acres--- some of that is refuge and they move the pressure around by limiting access and by moving hunters to different pools.
    Seems like good management practices-- most shut down at 1 pm everyday to lessen the pressure.
    Some folks realize that there wouldn't be a lot of hunting if there wasn't a WMA near by--- regardless of 'distribution expectations'
    Sounds a lot like that "fair share of ducks" argument.

    Regardless, the 5 year duck count average in January on those WMAs and the Federal Refuges in Missouri is around 400,000 +/-
    The northern 2/3's of the state is "refuge"( duck season is over) at that time.

    As to the idea of putting Missouri hands in Louisiana and Louisiana hands in Missouri and having different kill totals.....a good duck hunter will kill more than the average duck hunter that goes 6 times a year regardless of what state he lives in.

    like you say half serious -- half joking........ but there is a saying that 10% kill 90% and there is a reason for that saying LOL
     
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    Being able to hunt in an area rich with ducks gives a duck hunter a false impression of his skill level. Hunting over unharvested crops makes that even more true.

    Deep down this specific group of hunters knows this is true. The result of that is fear and that’s what drives them to resist change and admonish those that seek it!

    Human Nature 101
     
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    JJVizinat Senior Refuge Member

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    I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, why are we planting crops for ducks? The duck population isn’t all of a sudden going to starve to death if we don’t plant and flood corn. They’re scavengers and will find a way to survive, or who knows, maybe migrate south for food.

    Also from an ethical stand point, I don’t think it’s right to plant food to try and hold a migratory animal for the sole purpose of killing it or at the very least imprinting it to that destination.

    I’m not on board w the whole our fair share of ducks argument or everyone has a right to them. Seems like a socialist way of looking at things. Duck hunting and ducks are a privilege, not a right. They don’t belong to any of us, they belong to North America.

    And I know the old saying and I’m telling you the average 6 times a yr duck hunter in LA will out hunt the average 6 times a yr Missouri duck hunter. Might make that my out of state trip this yr just to prove both of us right and get those Missouri harvest numbers up for ya.
     
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    I will add pseudo psychology to your many skills
     
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    JJ
    Why shouldn't we plant crops for ducks?
    They obviously use the crops on their migration....it has been a common practice for more years that either of us has been alive?
    Y'all sure didn't cry about it until recently.
    The numbers show that most ducks continue south regardless of how much crop is available.
    Arkansas seems to be doing ok according to their reports.....maybe they are the ones that are keeping ducks from getting to Louisiana.

    I'm sure there were more ducks in December and January in Louisiana than there were in Missouri and considerably more in January--- so much for all that 'imprinting'.

    As to who are better hunters....is it really that important to you?
    You should be glad we are so "poor" at it....otherwise between food and imprinting and killing, y'all might never get any of the 'overflow'.
     
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    The average guy's, like myself lease from a farmer, landowner or sublet a blind or section that is either a working rice farm, set-aside (fallow) acreage or marsh. The cost is usually determined by demand for the area and if a working farm it would be harvested. The lease payment on fallow or working farms in part goes to pumping and maintaining water levels during the duck season. No planting involved with the payments. Planting and non harvest for ducks is limited to duck farm owners or willing well compensated farmers, compensation that is well beyond a "normal" lease fee. I'm fairly certain you already know this process and you're trolling. I had to come out from under my Lilly pad to gobble this one.
     
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    Dave....
    me troll? BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
    Average duck club in our area is a several guys that rent a blind (s) on a piece of ground that the farmer or owner guarantees water levels and depending on the agreement will leave some standing crops with a hole around the blind. Some clubs are next to a refuge and only have sloughs and no crops--- there you pay for proximity to the refuge and hopefully 'traffic'.

    The farmer/owner will charge $3,500 to $4,500 per man depending on demand in the area and this is the normal lease fee. I know guys that their family has rented a blind for over 30 years.

    People rent blinds at these places for the same reasons y'all rent blinds in those working rice farms. You want to pretend that you didn't pay for a farmer to plant etc...ok....you can call it that he didn't crawfish the rice pond or didn't drain and plow or whatever...but you payed for it.

    I thought of showing our costs but I'd rather have people think I am a high roller that can't shoot a duck than a poor boy that got tired of standing in line to get into a state area or running a boat up and down the Mississippi or driving all over creation to kill a duck.

    I'll send you a PM this site later--- about when the shorebird populations are coming through Louisiana---- thinking of a photo safari to catch Avocets in breeding plummage next year.

    Enjoy the lily pad--worse places to be my friend
     
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    Thanks for not answering the question. And just Bc something is “common practice” doesn’t make it right. Please don’t make me break it down retard style an give you examples of things that were once legal that were still morally wrong.

    There were not more ducks in LA in Dec and Jan than there was in Missouri. I don’t care what those duck count numbers say. Spend a few days afield down there.

    As to whose better hunters, it’s not that important to me. I was offering up a potential reason for your harvest numbers.
     

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