LEOs - How Abnormal is This? - Ashli Babbit Shooting

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https://www.realclearinvestigations...to_answer_investigators_questions_810720.html

"When U.S. Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd went on “NBC Nightly News” to tell his side of shooting and killing unarmed Jan. 6 rioter Ashli Babbitt, he made a point to note he’d been investigated by several agencies and exonerated for his actions that day.

“There’s an investigative process [and] I was cleared by the DOJ [Department of Justice], and FBI and [the D.C.] Metropolitan Police,” he told NBC News anchor Lester Holt in August, adding that the Capitol Police also cleared him of wrongdoing and decided not to discipline or demote him for the shooting.

Byrd then answered a series of questions by Holt about the shooting, but what he told the friendly journalist, he likely never told investigators. That’s because he refused to answer their questions, according to several sources and documents reviewed by RealClearInvestigations.

In fact, investigators cleared Byrd of wrongdoing in the shooting without actually interviewing him about the shooting or threatening him with punishment if he did not cooperate with their criminal investigation.

“He didn’t provide any statement to [criminal] investigators and they didn’t push him to make a statement,” Babbitt family attorney Terry Roberts said in an RCI interview. “It’s astonishing how skimpy his investigative file is."

Roberts, who has spoken with the D.C. MPD detective assigned to the case, said the kid-glove treatment of Byrd raises suspicions the investigation was a “whitewash.”

The lawyer's account appears to be backed up by a January 2021 internal affairs report, which notes Byrd "declined to provide a statement,” D.C. MPD documents show.

"Asked about it, a D.C. MPD spokeswoman confirmed that Byrd did not cooperate with internal affairs agents or FBI agents, who jointly investigated what was one of the most high-profile officer-involved shooting cases in U.S. history.

“MPD did not formally interview Lt. Byrd,” deputy D.C. MPD communications director Kristen Metzger said. And, “He didn’t give a statement while under the U.S. Attorney’s Office investigation.”

After Byrd declined to cooperate with D.C MPD Internal Affairs Division’s investigation, which was led by Det. John Hendrick, his case eventually was turned over to the USCP for a final administrative review of whether or not his actions conformed with department policies and training.

Still, USCP concluded in August that “the officer’s conduct was lawful and within department policy.” The agency launched its administrative investigation after the criminal investigation was closed.

In April, within four months of the shooting, Byrd was cleared of criminal wrongdoing by the Justice Department, which declined to impanel a grand jury to hear evidence in a departure from other lethal police-shooting cases involving unarmed citizens.

Justice ruled there “was not enough evidence” to conclude Byrd violated Babbitt’s civil rights or willfully acted recklessly in shooting her. In a press release, USCP said “multiple witnesses” were interviewed in its own probe, but it did not reveal that the main witness was never questioned.

Byrd remains the commander in charge of security for the House of Representatives.

Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department would comment on whether they pressed Byrd after he insisted on remaining silent. The D.C. police force, which shares some jurisdiction with the Capitol Police, takes the lead in internal affairs probes like this one."

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This threads title ending should be corrected to murder.

This laughable insurrection is looking more and more like what was done to Randy Weaver and others, the fed's push, push, push and get a reaction so they can slap down the people.

PSA, when everyone around you is saying we should kidnap the governor you may want to check their employment history before jumping in and agreeing.
 

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FWIW, I couldn’t have shot any suspected (and unarmed) ISIL or Taliban individual, coming over the wall in this same scenario, without a MUCH more in depth investigation, and likely going to prison for it.

Wondering if CBP officers can shoot illegals when they bum rush the fence nightly?

During the dozens of riots, with ANTIFA/BLM throwing molotovs and bricks at fed and other LE at fed courthouses, could the LE have just shot them all in the face?

Should they have?

Would they have to answer for doing it?
 

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FWIW, I couldn’t have shot any suspected (and unarmed) ISIL or Taliban individual, coming over the wall in this same scenario, without a MUCH more in depth investigation, and likely going to prison for it.

Wondering if CBP officers can shoot illegals when they bum rush the fence nightly?

During the dozens of riots, with ANTIFA/BLM throwing molotovs and bricks at fed and other LE at fed courthouses, could the LE have just shot them all in the face?

Should they have?

Would they have to answer for doing it?

Yes I agree^^^^. Looters, rioters burning and attacking with intent to harm SHOULD be shot dead. It will not take long for it to sink in that these people are serious. Like grandma said "Some Folks Just Need To Be Dead"!
 

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I was at an event where President Bush made an appearance. The Secret Service had a cordoned off area for his protection. One man attempted to step over the rope. An agent warned him that the area was closed. The man insisted and did place one leg over the rope......whereupon the Agent pulled his weapon and said "One more step, and I will shoot you." The man withdrew.

Reports say 400 capitol police were on duty to protect the Capitol building and our elected representatives.

Shame on those who chose violence in an attempt to harm our Capitol, our Representatives, and our democracy.

Shame on the police who failed to stop that effort.
 

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I was at an event where President Bush made an appearance. The Secret Service had a cordoned off area for his protection. One man attempted to step over the rope. An agent warned him that the area was closed. The man insisted and did place one leg over the rope......whereupon the Agent pulled his weapon and said "One more step, and I will shoot you." The man withdrew.

Reports say 400 capitol police were on duty to protect the Capitol building and our elected representatives.

Shame on those who chose violence in an attempt to harm our Capitol, our Representatives, and our democracy.

Shame on the police who failed to stop that effort.

Aside from some doors and windows broken, what else was damaged, what walls were spray painted, offices burned or statues torn down, I must have missed all those elected representatives hanging from the lamp posts, due tell please.


What do we have here, oh never mind :scratch

https://nypost.com/2022/01/10/suspe...ar-florida-jan-6-rally/?utm_source=reddit.com
 

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If this doesn’t blow up into a congressional investigation post mid terms with Kevin McCarthy as the Speaker of the House then we will realize how deep the Swamp really is.

She was white the shooter was black. What do y’all think happened? Of course you will be branded a White Supremacist after you respond.

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I was at an event where President Bush made an appearance. The Secret Service had a cordoned off area for his protection. One man attempted to step over the rope. An agent warned him that the area was closed. The man insisted and did place one leg over the rope......whereupon the Agent pulled his weapon and said "One more step, and I will shoot you." The man withdrew.

Secret Service, Capitol Police as well as all other Federal Law Enforcement agencies with the exception of the FBI & Military go thru training at FLETC in Glenco, GA. where they are taught that you do not shoot unless the subject is posing an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to the LEO or any other person. I am sure rules have changed since I went thru the training, however, I do not believe they would be more lenient. They are also taught to be aware of the surrounding as the discharge may harm innocent bystanders. Considering the individual which shot Babbit, I would further question his discharge, due to the fact that he very easily could have harmed an individual(protestor or officer) on hte other side of the wall.
 

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Secret Service, Capitol Police as well as all other Federal Law Enforcement agencies with the exception of the FBI & Military go thru training at FLETC in Glenco, GA. where they are taught that you do not shoot unless the subject is posing an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to the LEO or any other person. I am sure rules have changed since I went thru the training, however, I do not believe they would be more lenient. They are also taught to be aware of the surrounding as the discharge may harm innocent bystanders. Considering the individual which shot Babbit, I would further question his discharge, due to the fact that he very easily could have harmed an individual(protestor or officer) on hte other side of the wall.
 

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