mckinney fire.....

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Gene don't know that area very well,Your from that area,why did blow up like that,and you kinda know where going with this lol
Years of fire suppression and lack of fuels management. Mostly.
 

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Could the McKinney fire pick up again if they don't contain it and the weather goes dry again?
Anything could happen, but based on that heat signature map, and the rain that fell, chances are good it won't. There's no guarantees on anything.
 

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Years of fire suppression and lack of fuels management. Mostly.
Fires like this will increase the call for more suppression. People will cry the blues if you try and do fuels management via burns, and there isn't enough money on the planet to do it mechanically.
 

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Fires like this will increase the call for more suppression. People will cry the blues if you try and do fuels management via burns, and there isn't enough money on the planet to do it mechanically.
It is fuel loads that's a problem,You have to prune apple tree's mow your lawn right,you have to do the same with the forest,Log it' graze it' and do slow burn off's To be honest right now in this time this fire is a spot fire these days,it just sad to see fires get to this size anymore...
 

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Gene don't know that area very well,Your from that area,why did blow up like that,and you kinda know where going with this lol

Well the two nights a thundercell sat on top of the fire with extreme outflow winds might've had something to do with the explosive fire growth.

Most of the fire is burning in old fire scars from the past few years. It’s on the Klamath NF, which always seems to get the bulk of the lightning and has some of the most inhospitable ground to fight fire on in the nation.

But you keep thinking you know what’s up.
 

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Could the McKinney fire pick up again if they don't contain it and the weather goes dry again?

The higher humidities moderated the fire a bit and gave folks a chance to get after it, which we did and have made some good progress on it. But there’s still a lot of work left to do.

Side of the fire we were on got a limited precipitation and was still somewhat active but as I mentioned, the higher humidities gave us a chance to pick up a bunch of the fire, so we took advantage of it.
 

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Well the two nights a thundercell sat on top of the fire with extreme outflow winds might've had something to do with the explosive fire growth.

Most of the fire is burning in old fire scars from the past few years. It’s on the Klamath NF, which always seems to get the bulk of the lightning and has some of the most inhospitable ground to fight fire on in the nation.

But you keep thinking you know what’s up.
Old burn scars,Will how do old burn scars get to 60,000 ac fire again,This has nothing to do on how folks fight fire, they do there job,This has everything to do with fuel loads,Clean the forest floor...
 

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The higher humidities moderated the fire a bit and gave folks a chance to get after it, which we did and have made some good progress on it. But there’s still a lot of work left to do.

Side of the fire we were on got a limited precipitation and was still somewhat active but as I mentioned, the higher humidities gave us a chance to pick up a bunch of the fire, so we took advantage of it.
Thanks for the detailed response Dan. I was wondering because in Santa Cruz we had redwood trees that continued to internally burn for months after the fire ended, resulting in flare ups and hot spots. Even after the winter rains came scattered trees would just burst into flames and create spot fires.

I am glad you guys were able to get after it when the weather gave you a break. Seems like there is quite a bit of fuel in Klamath NF.
 

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Fires like this will increase the call for more suppression. People will cry the blues if you try and do fuels management via burns, and there isn't enough money on the planet to do it mechanically.
Seems like we are barely scratching the surface with fuels management here in the Coast Ranges.

The redwood forest managed by Big Creek Lumber Company, north of Santa Cruz, wasn't damaged very badly during the 2020 CZU Lightning Fire. Couple of drainages away, one of my old childhood haunts in the redwood forest was burnt to the ground. Nothing but ash on the ground from the ridge crest to the creek bottom where redwoods once grew. Big difference in fuels management between those two locations.

The old therapy line comes to mind when I look at how California pursues fuels management - "how's that working for you?" We are locked into a pattern, for now, that continues to dry out the landscape, so we have to change how we manage the landscape if we want to have a different outcome for wildfires. Because the friction from the political pounding of square pegs through round holes for fuels management keeps generating runaway wildfires.
 

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Well the two nights a thundercell sat on top of the fire with extreme outflow winds might've had something to do with the explosive fire growth.

Most of the fire is burning in old fire scars from the past few years. It’s on the Klamath NF, which always seems to get the bulk of the lightning and has some of the most inhospitable ground to fight fire on in the nation.

But you keep thinking you know what’s up.
Thanks for your work Dan. I don't live there but spend a lot of time there.

You must be north of the river in the Doggett creek or kohl creek or pipeline gap area if you're in the old burns. South of the river has had some controlled burns and small spot fires in recent years but has gone largely unmanaged over the last 25 plus years. It is checkerboarded with timber company and forest service land and was very brushy and thickly vegetated.

Most of the growth seems to have taken place south of the river/highway. The rain hit the east/southeast side of the fire.

Nobody on the forum is going to know more about the fire than Dan, who is boots on the ground. Thanks again Dan.
 

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