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  1. Flyfisher

    Flyfisher Elite Refuge Member

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    That was written by Ruger employees. They now work at Chico's Bail Bonds...
     
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    Flyfisher Elite Refuge Member

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    Go down to Kittles and buy one if you are in love with it. Look for the one with 23 years of dust on it...
     
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    aint no guns left at kittles, folks are even buying the CZ's they're so desperate.
     
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    Dont be a hater
     
  5. Holesinthesky

    Holesinthesky Senior Refuge Member

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    You have been given some pretty sound advice.

    my 2cents.........
    I have bought cheap O/Us and I have bought pricey O/Us.
    I have a cheap stoeger 12ga condor that sees use in a duck blind for early teal and wood duck, and whatever else I do, that I don’t worry about a gun getting beaten up. ($300-$400). It is heavy, and feels bulky.But it goes bang. Would NOT recommend as your one and only.

    I have 2 CZ (12 & 20 ga). These are a step up from the stoeger condor. But would not classify them as a fine O/U. ( mine are in the middle of the CZ lineup).

    I have a cheap Charles Daly ( won at a raffle). It is not the Charles Daly’s of the 50s,60s or 70s.

    I have 2 Browning Citoris (12 and 20). My 20 sees the most use of ALL my guns (including semi autos). Dove, pheasant, quail, etc.... rounds of clays (recreational).

    I carried a family members Ruger Red Label 12 ga ( early 80s Model???). While it was a nice gun, I preferred my brownings.

    Had a Winchester 101, 12 ga. It was a nice gun and came in second behind my brownings.

    Family member has an Ithaca, that I am hoping finds it’s way to me in the future.

    If I buy another O/U, it will be the Browning waterfowl version.
    As you can see, I mainly focus on the field use and not the clays/skeet/trap events.

    My recommendation- Browning Citori 20 ga, 28” barrels ( or 30 if can find them)
    Light enough to carry all day, stout enough with the right shells ( I prefer the golden pheasant shells for upland) to accomplish what you want.
     
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  6. blackdog58

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    You'll sell it....then later you'll be like Rave.....shouldn't have sold it.
     
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  7. Tuleman

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    I have a Red Label (had four at one time), a Citori, and a 682. For a combo waterfowl gun and occasional target gun, a Citori CX would be hard to beat. The Red Label is to light for duck loads, the 682 is too costly to beat around in a marsh.
    I'd stay away from the Turkish O/U's (CZ, TriStar, Stoeger, etc.) if I were you. I had a TriStar Setter for about a month and was happy, happy, happy to sell it.
     
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  8. Holesinthesky

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    Lots of folks knock the Turkish guns ( stoeger condor and CZ guns).
    I think the ones that do, are comparing them to fancier guns from other makers ( which come with pricier price tags). Of course these guns will never last as long as fancier guns, before a problem arises. That is when the pain begins.

    I think if someone gets one knowing that they are a cheap no frills, guns.
    Like buying an F150 XL work Truck, compared to an F150 Platinum.

    It is a truck but a BIG difference.

    The Turkish guns are for folks “who don’t want to spend a lot of money on a gun they may not like”. Unfortunately, that thinking, pushes lots of folks away from O/Us because that is their only experience.

    For a first time buyer, my recommendation would be nothing below ( quality wise).......
    A used Browning Citori, Winchester 101, Ruger Red label. Shoot them, like them, buy a fancier gun, then your used O/U gets relegated to field use, or backup/loaner gun.

    As someone else stated. Go to a range, go sit and watch. Introduce yourself and ask to try their gun ( pay for the shells).

    My Cheaper guns get used, and if get dinged, oh well.
    I know they are not as good as my pricier guns.

    But as a kid, I also killed lots of game with a Stevens 311 sxs, 20ga.
    When others were shooting fancy 1100s and 870s.
    One day, another cheap 311 will find it’s way to me.
     
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  9. blackdog58

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    I never realized 1100's and 870's were "fancy" guns.

    At my age, I've concluded that a few quality pieces trumps a boat load of blue light specials.
     
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  10. Ravenanme

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    But they are Scott , they are like the energizer Bunny , they keep on shooting !
    The Perazzi , Krieghoff , 3200's , Mod 12's , Citori's and Fabarms I have are just for show , until they come out for killing something !
    You have got to like what you're shooting , some have had Tate's fitting , while others have all the bells and whistles for adjustment !
     

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