rism
Elite Refuge Member
Does anybody actually know -- How much leftover corn with the shucks on has to be in a field for them to consider it baited? Is it totally up to their discretion then if you take it to court it is up to the judge?
snow goose bait thread????
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ARHHH4
Elite Refuge Member
Not for sure but I would assume it’s their discretion. Heard a warden this past week went to one of the fields, as today (Sunday) is day 11, and was taking his boot and kicking dirt clods around exposing kernels and saying something to the likes of, “boy I dunno, there’s still a lot of corn out here under this dirt”
. My guess is most judges won’t have a clue about hunting, nor game laws, so they prolly side with the wardens
Ruination
Elite Refuge Member
I remember the thread, it wasn't waste, it was full ears. But it sounded like it was planted and the feds were tipped off.
As to why tickets were not written my theory would be:
-It's a state that has to see you spreading to bait to charge you for it.
-The wardens knew it was a setup.
As to why tickets were not written my theory would be:
-It's a state that has to see you spreading to bait to charge you for it.
-The wardens knew it was a setup.
riverrat47
Elite Refuge Member
I know of several people who have been charged for baiting without being actually observed. In fact, when I was a DNR employee and had a blind on the river, I was always a bit concerned that I could be set up...someone dump some corn in front of my blind when I wasn't there and then report it.
If the Feds didn't write a ticket, I think they smelled a rat. JMO.
Ruination
Elite Refuge Member
Supposedly this wasn't DNR.
Federally (1998 was when strict liability was removed) you have to be proven to be baiting or know of the baiting.
I have no idea if Illinois is a strict liability state or not.
Recently (2015) MD removed strict liability, if there is bait your boned whether you know about it or not.
But, I think you're likely correct in they knew it was an obvious set up.
lanthanide
Elite Refuge Member
I guess it's come to this...this kind of infantile, sophomoric behavior? Planting feed to bust another hunter? We've all had someone beat us to our "favorite spot"...had a group get a field just before you got there...can't imagine trying to burn a guy down and possibly affect their hunting privileges for these...that's just the game. I've been seeing an increase of videos of landowner "disking" decoy spreads of delinquent (allegedly) guides. We're a fine example...
greenheadIL
Elite Refuge Member
My personal experience is this. Late feb early March of 2019 if I remember correct 2018 was a wet fall and harvest was delayed some. There is a local farmer who has always giving me permission. He farms on the side has another full time job and some pretty old equipment. There is often more waste grain in his fields than most. He also didn't harvest this field until January after the ground had frozen. There was corn everywhere in this field and the snow geese found it. He gave me permission and I walked out to decide where to hide after the geese left and saw how much corn was out there. I debated what to do and against advice of a couple partners I called the local CPO to get his opinion. He and his captain met me at field we walked it. There opinion was. Yes there is a lot of corn left in this field, but everything was done under "normal agriculture practices" so it was good to hunt. Had a couple pretty decent days over the next week out there.
This idea of a equation or opinion on the amount of grain left is ridiculous and terribly subjective. Do they take headlands into account? How about areas that are double planted and not in rows?
This idea of a equation or opinion on the amount of grain left is ridiculous and terribly subjective. Do they take headlands into account? How about areas that are double planted and not in rows?
