Spray to Realease grasses?

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  1. Trophyduck

    Trophyduck Elite Refuge Member

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    I'm new to all this.....could someone explain what is meant by Spraying (on what are you spraying the chemical?) to release grasses?
    I'm thinking you are killing weeds to promote grasses to grow from existing seed beds?

    thanks
     
  2. Clayton

    Clayton Moderator Moderator

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    I have literally sprayed thousands of acres of 2,4-d amine for grass release. I like 2,4-d amine because it is cheap, doesn’t volatize and is relatively safe around soybeans as long as you use common sense about wind direction. I typically use 1 qt/ac but there are times when highter rates are needed. Asters are especially tough and dense needing higher rates. Tall and dense cocklebur can need higher rates as well.
     
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    Clayton Moderator Moderator

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    Thought this old post would make a good Sticky.
     
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  4. brake man

    brake man Senior Refuge Member

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    Couple of dumb questions to a guy who obviously knows very little about all this moist soil stuff:
    1. What is 2,4-d amine and what does it do?
    2. What does "grass release" mean?
    I honestly do not know and am seriously asking.
     
  5. da fowl slayer

    da fowl slayer Elite Refuge Member

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    24d is an ag herbicide that is a broad spectrum broad leaf killer .

    Has very little effect on grass

    But

    By reducing the the broadleaf competition it allows grasses like barnyard grass to sprout and have room to grow

    Barnyard grass is a favorite of most ducks. It’s a variety of millet that is free in the earths soil in most regions

    But needs space to grow
    By controlling the broad leafs or disturbing soil barnyard grass and other grasses release from the soil and grow

    The other side of the coin would be killing grasses to release smarteeed or other broad leaves . To do this you would kill the grasses with round up
     
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    I use 2,4-D amine because it is safer to use around soybeans. 2,4-D ester is not safe to use around soybeans and very risky around cotton.

    Here some pictures I have put together over the years comparing 2,4-D amine spraying to areas not treated. Usually they weren't treated because I accidentally missed them!!! LOL

    2_4_D spraying in sesbania_1.jpg 2_4_D spraying in sesbania_2.jpg 2_4_D spraying in sumpweed.jpg barnyardgrass release_3.JPG
     
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  7. hhpage

    hhpage Senior Refuge Member

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    A couple of things that should probably be pointed out here, though they may seem obvious.

    1. Read and understand the herbicide label. There is a lot of good information there. Herbicide manufacturers are in business to sell herbicides, so the rates they recommend on the label can be assumed to be effective. If a higher rate would actually work better, they would have included it on the label since they would sell more product!
    2. Use a spray adjuvant if the label calls for it; crop oil concentrate, non-ionic surfactant, etc. can make a huge difference with certain chemistry and certain plants.
    3. 2,4D and many other agricultural pesticides are also regulated at the state level. Make sure you understand your state's specific regulations and licensing requirements. In AR, you have to have a commercial applicator's license in order to purchase anything more than "homeowner" quantities of restricted pesticides (2,4D is restricted in AR). Getting a commercial license for applying restricted pesticides on private property (not for hire) is a simple matter of taking a 4 hour training class at the local ag extension office, but you can't buy commercial quantities of most herbicides and insecticides without it.
     
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    brake man Senior Refuge Member

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    Thanks for the information on this thread and on a number of others.
     
  9. Trophyduck

    Trophyduck Elite Refuge Member

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    Another question on releasing grasses (and thanks for all the info so far).
    Will using 2,4D amine to release grasses affect clover? Is clover considered a "broadleaf"?
     
  10. stevena198301

    stevena198301 Elite Refuge Member Supporting Member

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    Kills the pizz outta clover!
     
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