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  1. Sam Ortmann

    Sam Ortmann Senior Refuge Member

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    That’s pretty much what I expected.
     
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  2. Sam Ortmann

    Sam Ortmann Senior Refuge Member

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    I was mistaken about the lead 6’s. I only had 7.5’s. But the problem is solved. I went to the academy nearest his farm and they had one box of 3.5” lead 5’s, which is what I usually shoot out of my gun anyway.
     
  3. nobands

    nobands Elite Refuge Member

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    Go get em !!.
    Shells are still hard to come by here. I bought a couple boxes of Remington turkey loads , case the farm store had 2 boxes. I like the Winchester long beards better .
    Shot a few the other day and good to 35 .
    Out of gun / choke the Winchester loads would be good to 45 easily.
    Don't matter as past 40 I just figure the bird won that round.
    Hope you get one , if not enjoy it anyway.
     
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  4. Sunklands

    Sunklands Elite Refuge Member

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    Prolly can’t find them anymore but I remember the old, tall brass Remington Nitro Mag, 2.75” #5’s. Those were bad lads, back in the 80’s. All that said Turkey loads are much better nowadays but alot pricier than back then.
     
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  5. Joe Hunter

    Joe Hunter Senior Refuge Member

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    Here are a few more of my turkey load pattern numbers (that I've posted before) to give you an idea of the kind of performance you might get from some popular 12-gauge lead turkey loads.

    Hopefully, this information will allow hunters to make smart choices when it comes to selecting a turkey load and encourage all turkey hunters to shoot a few patterns to determine the maximum effective range of their gun/choke/load combo!

    The 12-gauge 3-inch loads were shot through a Remington 870 Special Purpose shotgun with a 26-inch barrel and the 12-gauge 3 ½-inch loads were shot through a Remington 870 Super Magnum shotgun with a 23-inch barrel, except the 3 ½-inch Winchester Long Beard loads were shot through a 28-inch barrel. A Remington Turkey Super Full Extended choke (.063-inch constriction from bore gauge) was used for all lead loads tested.

    Pattern testing was accomplished by using 48-inch x 48-inch pattern paper with a turkey head-and-neck target placed in the center of each pattern sheet prior to the patterning shot; yardages were measure with a tape from muzzle to target; and pattern counts, pattern percentages and Skull/Cervical Vertebrae (S/CV) hits were the average from five patterns.

    In-shell pellet count averages were the result of cutting open and counting the pellets from five shells out of the same box/lot as the pattern loads. These in-shell pellet counts allowed for true pattern percentage calculations.

    Remember, an effective turkey load needs to have enough pellets to provide sufficient pattern density and possess pellets with adequate penetrating energy to reliably penetrate a turkey’s skull and/or cervical vertebra at the yardage used!

    Here’s my short take on this topic…
    · out to 30 yards "most all" turkey loads with a full choke will be 100% effective
    · out to 40 yards "many" turkey loads with a full or tighter choke can be 100% effective
    · out to 50 yards "some" turkey loads with a tight full turkey choke may be 100% effective
    · out to 60 yards "very few" turkey loads with a tight full turkey choke are 100% effective

    40-YARD PATTERNS
    Win Super-X 3” 1 7/8 oz #6 lead (438 pellets) / pattern 363 (83%) / S/CV hits 4.6
    Rem Duplex 3" 1 7/8 oz #4 x #6 lead (385 pellets) / pattern 305 (79%) / S/CV hits 4.2

    Fed Hi-Velocity 3" 1 3/4 oz #5 lead (322 pellets) / pattern 272 (85%) / S/CV hits 3.6
    Rem Hi-Velocity 3" 1 3/4 oz #5 lead (280 pellets) / pattern 225 (80%) / S/CV hits 5.8
    Win Hi-Velocity 3" 1 3/4 oz #5 lead (293 pellets) / pattern 257 (88%) / S/CV hits 5.8
    Win Long Beard 3" 1 3/4 oz #5 lead (305 pellets) / pattern 295 (97%) / S/CV hits 11.0 / 10” pattern 118
    Win Super-X 3" 1 7/8 oz #5 lead (317 pellets) / pattern 276 (87%) / S/CV hits 3.4
    Rem Premier 3" 2 oz #5 lead (328 pellets) / pattern 258 (79%) / S/CV hits 3.4
    Win XX Mag 3" 2 oz #5 lead (336 pellets) / pattern 293 (87%) / S/CV hits 3.6

    Fed Premium 3" 2 oz #4 lead (290 pellets) / pattern 213 (73%) / S/CV hits 3.2
    Rem Premier 3" 2 oz #4 lead (255 pellets) / pattern 209 (82%) / S/CV hits 3.6
    Win XX Mag 3" 2 oz #4 lead (258 pellets) / pattern 243 (94%) / S/CV hits 4.6
    Win Long Beard 3½" 2 oz #4 lead (255 pellets) / pattern 247 (97%) / S/CV hits 11.6 / 10” pattern 126
    Win XX Mag 3½" 2 ¼ oz #4 lead (300 pellets) / pattern 242 (81%) / S/CV hits 4.2


    50-YARD PATTERNS
    Win Long Beard 3" 1 3/4 oz #5 lead (305 pellets) / pattern 275 (90%) / S/CV hits 7.4 / 10” pattern 89
    Fed Premium 3" 2 oz #4 lead (290 pellets) / pattern 163 (56%) / S/CV hits 2.6
    Rem Premier 3" 2 oz #4 lead (255 pellets) / pattern 149 (58%) / S/CV hits 1.6
    Win XX Mag 3" 2 oz #4 lead (258 pellets) / pattern 170 (66%) / S/CV hits 2.2
    Win Long Beard 3½" 2 oz #4 lead (255 pellets) / pattern 234 (92%) / S/CV hits 7.2 / 10” pattern 86
    Win XX Mag 3½" 2 ¼ oz #4 lead (300 pellets) / pattern 162 (54%) / S/CV hits 3.2


    60-YARD PATTERNS
    Win Long Beard 3½" 2 oz #4 lead (255 pellets) / pattern 206 (81%) / S/CV hits 5.4 / 10” pattern 54

    Hope this helps, good luck!
     
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  6. SkolMNDuckHunter

    SkolMNDuckHunter Senior Refuge Member

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    Joe, your patterning work is incredible, but I'd really like to see the 10" counts for all of the turkey loads. 30" counts really aren't as valuable for turkeys as they are for wing shooting I see you included the 10" for just a couple of loads.

    I would be very interested to see where most of the loads start to drop below the 100/10" rule. Even the long beards are getting thin at 50. I'm curious how the standard loads all look at 40. Many people think they can just throw in any old shell and shoot to 40, but that may not be the case at all.

    Thanks for sharing all of your work with us all!
     
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  7. Joe Hunter

    Joe Hunter Senior Refuge Member

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    Skol -- Nope, I didn't count the 10" core except on the Long Beards. I still have the average pattern sheet from each 5-shot set, so I could go back and get a 10" count from those average patterns. Maybe I'll do that sometime this summer.

    I'm not saying that the 100/10" "rule" isn't helpful in comparing load/choke patterning performance, BUT...

    What I did do to lend a little real world credence to the pattern data was to attach a turkey head/neck target in the center of each pattern sheet prior to the shot. That provided me an aim point and provided what, in my mind, was very relevant and comparable data on how effective the choke/load combo could be at the yardage tested.

    Hope this helps, good luck!

    100_1101.JPG Pattern 1, 12ga 3 Win Long Beard #5 lead, 870 Rem SF .063 40yd.JPG Pattern 2, 12ga 3 Win Long Beard #5 lead, 870 Rem SF .063 50yd.JPG
     
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