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  1. Holesinthesky

    Holesinthesky Senior Refuge Member

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    I did.
    I stated it. But that isn’t good for YOU.
    So you provide a choice that benefits YOU, the most.

    Everything I posted benefits the sports. Directly or in directly.

    under your proposed outcome, the equation I posted, would be the only FAIR solution to ensure everyone paid the same.

    every post you make, just brings to mind........
    “I’m from the Govt., and I here to solve your problem.”
     
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  2. Dirtybird420

    Dirtybird420 Elite Refuge Member

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    Well my state is about 30 bucks for resident fishing n crabbing license. My commercial license is about 900. So there’s that. I agree with a stamp or fee of some nature. I think at very least it will thin out the fly by nighters.
     
  3. bill cooksey

    bill cooksey Elite Refuge Member

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    I'm not against guide licenses at all, but, like commercial fishing, it's on a state by state basis and costs vary greatly. Point was a lot of different people seek to profit from a resource.
     
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  4. Sam Ortmann

    Sam Ortmann Senior Refuge Member

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    You’re correct. There’s a lot of hypotheticals going around here.
    As for the second part of your statement, I really don’t think your proposal would increase hunter numbers. I assuming you since hunting will be improved because there are less seven day a week hunters then more people will want to join. And all things being equal that might be the case. But all things aren’t equal. Your proposal is significantly increasing the cost of duck hunting.
    Also, as pointed out by some earlier, people tend to spend less when they are better able to put a finite cost of things. So having a system with a $5 stamp you have to renew ever limit or every other limit or whatever should bring in a lot less money than a system where you pay a $50 one time fee for 360 ducks.
     
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  5. Sam Ortmann

    Sam Ortmann Senior Refuge Member

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    But not really. Most natural resources you pay for access, not for consumption. Look at timber, ag, and grazing leases. You don’t pay per tree cut down, stalk of corn planted, or head of cattle. You pay a monthly or yearly fee per acre. You’re paying for access.
    This is especially true in the case of wildlife. Private European game farms and public land wild game hunting in the US are very different things on a philosophical level. Nobody owns wild game. They are a public good. So we, the public, have entrusted our government—elected representatives of the public—to be caretakers of that wild game and the habitat in which it resides. When you pay licensing fees your not paying for the consumption of the good, because you already own the good. As the public we all own the good. So instead you’re paying the state to cover the costs of taking care of the good for you. If it was a consumptive market then you would only pay for a deer tag AFTER you killed one and wouldn’t have to pay at all if you got skunked the whole season. There’s a reason you have to buy a tag wether you kill something or not. Because it’s not a consumptive market. Really it’s not a market at all.
    And this all sounds like economic philosophy bull chit, but it’s not. Our system was actually specifically set up this way because people who came over from Europe didn’t like the fact that the rich wealthy land owners and personal members of the state owned the game. People weren’t jailed for hunting deer on the king’s land. They were jailed for hunting the king’s deer. It sounds like semantics, but it’s actually something that was well thought out by people early on in this country. I very much like the system and anybody who enjoys having publicly owned game and publicly owned land to hunt it on should too.
     
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  6. Fasteel72

    Fasteel72 Senior Refuge Member

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    Well said Sam .:tu
     
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  7. Long Shot

    Long Shot Senior Refuge Member

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    I feel there are a number of factors that have & will lead to a decrease in hunting activity. In no particular order they are expense, access, bird numbers & hunter altercations. I am have seen all of these issues increase during the time that I have spent hunting. We do not need to add to this list with excessive regulations.
     
  8. Small Bore Hunter

    Small Bore Hunter Senior Refuge Member

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    WOW just spent last few minutes reviewing this thread. A downer since spent yesterday scouting a WMA that was flooded that I have not hunted in years just me and my dog. I enjoy being on the water. I understand everyone has their opinion of what the problem is. The truth is duck hunting is expensive in almost any form. Private leases has pushed ones not willing to lease to public grounds and they are over crowded. To solve this problem one must limit number of hunters that can access a WMA per day. This would be a nightmare to control. One must deal with the public or spend the money on a least. Yes the leases get very expensive if it’s a producer. A $10k least today that kills 1k ducks per year may be $20k next year if work get out. One of my best friend lost their deer and turkey least after 20 years. Owner doubled the least this year 2 weeks before season. Duck hunting will change in the future. Look at what AR had to change for public ground.
     
  9. Dirk Van Schmaldlerson

    Dirk Van Schmaldlerson Elite Refuge Member

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    All I hear in this thread from those wanting the 20% to “pay” more is “boo, you’re successful because you spend the time and money, you need to pay more because I’m too lazy to work for something”. It’s sad and disgusting to want to tax those who have the exact same opportunities as anyone else in their area. Whether you put the effort into it is on you. Turning duck hunting into socialism is beyond absurd.
     
  10. Billy Bob

    Billy Bob Elite Refuge Member

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    This would be the end of waterfowl hunting as we know it. Revenue would disappear and recruitment would be near non existent.
     
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