If my numbers are correct 1/2oz of TSS 9's has 191 pellets which should keep the pattern dense enough even for medium ducks at longer ranges than I normally shoot and make a decent combination load. I think I will start there. I'm going to take this slow but I think it's time to look for a .410 press. If the price is right I will probably forget about the bismuth shells I bought this year @ $1.40 per shell by the time I paid tax. Thank you everyone for all of the help and info.