Ukraine off topic rants

[Duckfiend]

My family

That’s great. I support trump and hope he completely ends the FBI, pulls funding for the Ukraine conflict, and drastically cuts government spending. I’m also rooting for desantis to win to see what he can do to help out country.

I counld not find a recent fbi rant thread so I will just leave this here:

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[wingmatt]

So you are saying you equate Nazi Germany and the blitzkrieg with Putin lining up a bunch of ww2 relic tanks?
I do not see the similarities of circumstance.
At all.

The giving away of the Czechoslavakia didn't involve a blitzkrieg. The similarities are what Hitler was doing without interference and what Putin has done (Georgia, Crimea).

Putin "lining up a bunch of ww2 relic tanks"??? Russia invaded Ukraine with tanks, troops, ships and planes. Ukraine did not invade Russia.

 

[grahler]

The giving away of the Czechoslavakia didn't involve a blitzkrieg. The similarities are what Hitler was doing without interference and what Putin has done (Georgia, Crimea).

Putin "lining up a bunch of ww2 relic tanks"??? Russia invaded Ukraine with tanks, troops, ships and planes. Ukraine did not invade Russia.

Pre ww2 Germany had an awful lot going on which led to the formation of the Nazi party.
Primarily it was economic problems in Germany.
I don’t see the similarity to Russia today invading Ukraine.
As many warmongers here eagerly point out Russias military has not had a good showing. Hardly a Nazi war machine with almost totally unified support of the people.
Again you say Russia invaded Ukraine.
I say who cares. We are not in charge of Ukraine.
I am a huge supporter of our military being used when necessary.
I’m against what we have been doing militarily (almost all of it) post world war 2 though.
Our military imo has not been used as it should be.
We ship arms all over the place and back puppet governments and where is it getting us?
Look at our cities. Look at our culture. Look at us.
Look at our borders. Look at our economy and debt.
You can go ahead and cheer on Bidens foreign policy.
I certainly won’t.

 

[wingmatt]

Pre ww2 Germany had an awful lot going on which led to the formation of the Nazi party.
Primarily it was economic problems in Germany.
I don’t see the similarity to Russia today invading Ukraine.
As many warmongers here eagerly point out Russias military has not had a good showing. Hardly a Nazi war machine with almost totally unified support of the people.
Again you say Russia invaded Ukraine.
I say who cares. We are not in charge of Ukraine.
I am a huge supporter of our military being used when necessary.
I’m against what we have been doing militarily (almost all of it) post world war 2 though.
Our military imo has not been used as it should be.
We ship arms all over the place and back puppet governments and where is it getting us?
Look at our cities. Look at our culture. Look at us.
Look at our borders. Look at our economy and debt.
You can go ahead and cheer on Bidens foreign policy.
I certainly won’t.

"Who cares" was the attitude of Neville Chamberlain and other misguided people.

 

[grahler]

"Who cares" was the attitude of Neville Chamberlain and other misguided people.

If you think Putin is going to conquer Europe I must disagree.

 

[WidgeonmanGH]

Ahh the good ole days of "Putin is Hitler". Circling round again.

Just like the invasion was "unprovoked". The Neohawks are willing to risk nuclear war to try and have Russia collapse, because unfortunately that is exactly what they are doing. One nuke can really ruin your day. The idea that if we just stay strong Putin will collapse and we are going then get some proWestern new government in there? Or maybe Ukrainian special forces will assassinate him, then it will all be over?

It is simply crazy and uninformed about who Russia is and and what the governmental system is like there. According to some Putin is a moderate, and if he is taken out of the picture hardliners are the more probable successors. Instead of moving toward negotiations to end a war that started in 2012 we are the country that is not only prolonging it but escalating it. Ignoring the risk. Nukes change the equation and the neohawks are pretending that Russia doesn't have them or are afraid to use them.

 

[wingmatt]

... Instead of moving toward negotiations to end a war that started in 2012 we are the country that is not only prolonging it but escalating it. ...

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, not 2012. So you are back to letting Russia have Ukraine? What negotiations are you suggesting, that Ukraine gives Russia the eastern part of Ukraine? I doubt Russia is going to agree to going back to the old lines and letting the people decide ....

 

[OneShotBandit]

Sacrifices must be made.....


* Just being the Devil's advocate NOT a Putin supporter.

 

[WidgeonmanGH]

If you think the war in Donbas started in 2022 go ahead and think that. It didn't. Ukraine has been at war for longer than that. You might also think that noble Ukrainians overthrew their elected proRussia governement with their little coupe de ta without US alphabet soup. Yeah ok. Do you also think Jeffery Epstein committed suicide or Seth Rich was the victim of a robbery gone wrong? What color is the sky in your world? Big foot, unicorns. all real no doubt.

Read the link above if you want some historical perspective on this conflict. If you don't, feel free to let NBC inform your ideas about geopolitics, and wrap yourself in the righteousness of interventionism.

This war could have been prevented and the blood is on the hands of those arranged it and continues to be on those who continue to support it without even an effort at peace.

 

[Duckfiend]

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, not 2012. So you are back to letting Russia have Ukraine? What negotiations are you suggesting, that Ukraine gives Russia the eastern part of Ukraine? I doubt Russia is going to agree to going back to the old lines and letting the people decide ....

1) the U.S. can stop financially and militarily supporting Ukraine immediately. This will have vast impact on any negotiations.
2) the Ukraine military and Russian separatist were exchanging significant artillery fire since 2012 in these now disputed territories in eastern Ukraine.
3) before most civilians were displaced the people may have decided to part of Russia. We are past that now, only military conflict or negotiations will determine the fate of these disputed territories.