Ukraine off topic rants

[wingmatt]

1) the U.S. can stop financially and militarily supporting Ukraine immediately. This will have vast impact on any negotiations.
2) the Ukraine military and Russian separatist were exchanging significant artillery fire since 2012 in these now disputed territories in eastern Ukraine.
3) before most civilians were displaced the people may have decided to part of Russia. We are past that now, only military conflict or negotiations will determine the fate of these disputed territories.

1) "impact on negotiations! LOL. You mean surrendering their country to the invading Russians.
2) Ukraine did not invade Russia. Russia invaded Ukraine.
3) We can only hope we wear down the Ruskies so they will retreat.

 

[Huntsprig]

3) before most civilians were displaced the people may have decided to part of Russia. We are past that now, only military conflict or negotiations will determine the fate of these disputed territories.

With Crimea being the exception, eastern Ukraine overwhelmingly wanted to remain part of Ukraine till Putin started stirring up crap there.
Here's some interesting polling from spring 2014.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/...rnance-ukrainians-want-to-remain-one-country/

 

[grahler]

This is from 2019 dgap.org which is for Germans.
It discusses Zelensky.
This is a long read but remember this is German news from 2019.

The Mystery of Volodymyr Zelenskiy | DGAP

The comedian has played the president on Ukrainian TV for years. Now he’s likely to be elected to the real office. Who is Volodymyr Zelenskiy, and what or whom does he stand for?

dgap.org

It mentions his ties to Ihor Kolomoisky which I’ve posted many times in this thread.

Excerpted from link:

What Does Zelenskiy Stand For?​

If you want to understand what Zelenskiy the politician is about, it will not suffice to read his political program. The character of his campaign, his public appearances, and communication with media are important to consider.

Zelenskiy’s program is a mixture of ideas, wishful thinking, and, occasionally, specific policies. On the whole it offers very few concrete solutions. If elected, Zelenskiy plans to introduce direct democracy in Ukraine by making it easier to organize referendums. The program contains measures meant to enhance the rule of law, such lifting immunity from the president and MPs, passing a law that would enable impeachment of the president, and depriving MPs who are absent from sessions or vote for several missing colleagues at once of their mandate. In the rather abstract section concerning defense and security, the program never mentions Russia, although it describes an ‘aggressor state’ occupying Ukrainian territory. Interestingly, Zelenskiy’s program suggests organizing a referendum on NATO accession, although recent amendments to the Ukrainian constitution enshrined Ukraine’s aspiration to join EU and NATO.

The Oligarch in the Background​

While Zelenskiy is portrayed as a fighter against oligarchs in his TV show, in reality he is clearly linked to the Ukrainian oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky, the owner of 1+1 TV, where the candidate’s show has appeared since 2012.

According to an investigation led by Volodymyr Ariev, an MP from Petro Poroshenko’s bloc, the start of this TV cooperation coincided with large financial transactions between Privat Bank, Ukraine’s largest bank which was at that time owned by Kolomoisky, and Zelenskiy and other team members of Kvartal 95. From 2012 to 2016, $41 million was directed from the bank through a series of intermediary companies into the accounts of Zelensky and Co. companies. Ariev contends that Kolomoisky used Zelensky’s companies for money laundering.

There is more to this than just money. A recent investigation revealed that Andriy Bohdan, Kolomoisky’s main lawyer, is often seen at Zelenskiy’s headquarters and introduces him during important official meetings. Moreover, Zelenskiy was revealed to have traveled to Tel-Aviv, where Kolomoisky currently lives, at least five times since January 2019.


So again we must point out
Zelensky KICKED KOLOMOISKY OUT LMAO.

Imo if you believe the smoke Biden is trying to blow up our butt about Zelensky you need to check yourself for Lyme disease!

Kolomoisky here:

Ihor Kolomoyskyi - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Imo if you stand behinds Bidens foreign policy lolololololololololololololloololoool

If you think we are “doing the right thing”

 

[grahler]

A bank scandal, an oligarch and the IMF: Ukraine's president has a lot to deal with right now

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is under pressure over how he will resolve a long-running dispute regarding a nationalized bank and its former oligarch owner.

www.cnbc.com

2019 IMF vs Kolomoisky/Zelensky.
Imo they bought Zelensky who then ultimately turned on the man who financed his rise.
So Zelensky was first owned by Kolomoisky but later the IMF.
Imo

Zelensky is a bought and paid for stooge.
That stupid video of him and the leaders in Kyiv during the first part of Russias attack was a fake imo.
Silly helmets etc-they were costumes. The backdrop was a movie set.
You cannot trust what they are pushing on us!
Ghost of Kyiv
Russian warship go f yourself lol
We are all being played
Wake up and vote out any politician behind this nonsense.
Jmo

 

[grahler]

On 28 July 2022, Zelenskyy appeared to confirm the authenticity of an 18 July presidential decree published online by the opposition MP Serhiy Vlasenko[150][151] that strips Ukrainian citizenship from Kolomoyskyi and nine others,[152] including both Hennadiy Korban, who had been deputy governor of Dnipropetrovsk under Kolomoyskyi (and since 24 February 2022, head of the Dnipro Territorial Defence),[153] and Vadim Rabinovich.[152] Although dual citizenship is prohibited in Ukrainian law, all three held Israeli passports.[154]Kolomoyskyi who additionally holds a Cypriot passport, has reportedly quipped that while Ukrainian law prohibits dual citizenship, it says nothing about triple citizenship


That above is copied from the Wikipedia previously linked.
Something smells funny in Israel. Is it Hollywood?

Hollywood and Israel, a love story: How the Jewish state met the silver screen | The Times of Israel

www.timesofisrael.com

Basics
There’s no actual Easter Bunny

 

[Sunklands]

…….so what yer sayin is, if Zelensky is more(by our standards) of liberal democrat than a a conservative republican? And if you’re gonna oppose them here(in the west) don’t support them in Europe?

 

[WidgeonmanGH]

Here's some interesting polling from spring 2014.

Then after 5 years of the donbas war shelling, economic sanctions and isolation (by kiev), I wonder what the polling was in like 2019? or 2021?

 

[DA]

Who do you support?

Clearly he supports Michael.

 

[widgeon]

Well, they're at least starting to include a little truth in the bull shift. F-16s not the game changer we were told.

F-16s won’t be a ‘magic weapon’ for Ukraine, Milley warns

Top leaders also announce that Denmark and the Netherlands are leading an international effort to train Ukrainian pilots.

www.politico.com

 

[widgeon]

Could secret negotiations be taking place to end this mess? I sure hope so.

POWDER KEG EUROPE: Russian Official Predicts the END of Ukraine - Polish Military Ready to Intervene in Case of COUP in Belarus - Georgia Being Pressured Into Military Action Against Putin | The Gateway Pundit | by Paul Serran

The war in Ukraine is far from over, but a lot of activities prefacing the post-war realities are already playing out, showing an increasingly militarized ‘powder keg’ Europe, at the brink of widespread military conflicts.

www.thegatewaypundit.com