Waiting for his award...

[API]

The local Urgent Care did ours with no appointment.

That is an option locally too. Here Urgent Care is pretty much a first come first served walk in service, so one must be willing to either wait in your vehicle or spend time in the common waiting area rubbing shoulders with the great unwashed crowd until your turn.

 

[Grif]

I never have been looking for “prevention”. And it looks like people are starting to catch up where I was after this whole fiasco began. Bari Weiss - meh. What took you so long? But get a load of that liberal Bill Maher crowds applause.

Same here.....the first few months when my co-workers and I were dealing with it every day we took whatever precautions we could....figuring we were all going to die. After 2 or 3 months it became, "hey, wait a minute, this is a lot of bull crap we're being fed". After that it was no precautions at all. We all ended up with it.....nobody cared, and still don't. We had one guy that was in trouble pretty quick.....got the monoclonal treatment and was literally back to near 100% in 36 hours.

 

[The Other David]

Don't be old and it's barely at flu levels for mortality.

Please tell me how to do that! I'm willing to try anything!

 

[pintail2222]

Same here.....the first few months when my co-workers and I were dealing with it every day we took whatever precautions we could....figuring we were all going to die. After 2 or 3 months it became, "hey, wait a minute, this is a lot of bull crap we're being fed". After that it was no precautions at all. We all ended up with it.....nobody cared, and still don't. We had one guy that was in trouble pretty quick.....got the monoclonal treatment and was literally back to near 100% in 36 hours.

I remember because I’ve read your posts.

Think gock5 is still hiding in his basement? Me too.

 

[Grif]

Please tell me how to do that! I'm willing to try anything!

If you remember.....I've never said that at risk folks should not get vaccinated. in fact, I've said exactly the opposite. You can pick and choose what you want....but you can't pick and choose what I've said and be wrong about it. I don't care at all about someone who wants the vaccine....by all means, get vaccinated. I've said it repeatedly.

But the vaccine mandate, the mask mandates, and the absolute refusal by the medical people "in charge" to acknowledge natural immunity, and not push for more therapeutic treatments......even in the face of having to admit that the vaccine is useless for omicron, is ridiculously stupid.....LIKE THE ENTIRE RESPONSE HAS BEEN.

And for the record, being old, alone, is nowhere near a death sentence from this virus. I know too many 80+ folks who got it and are still among us and doing fine.

 

[KENNEDY63]

If you remember.....I've never said that at risk folks should not get vaccinated. in fact, I've said exactly the opposite. You can pick and choose what you want....but you can't pick and choose what I've said and be wrong about it. I don't care at all about someone who wants the vaccine....by all means, get vaccinated. I've said it repeatedly.

But the vaccine mandate, the mask mandates, and the absolute refusal by the medical people "in charge" to acknowledge natural immunity, and not push for more therapeutic treatments......even in the face of having to admit that the vaccine is useless for omicron, is ridiculously stupid.....LIKE THE ENTIRE RESPONSE HAS BEEN.

And for the record, being old, alone, is nowhere near a death sentence from this virus. I know too many 80+ folks who got it and are still among us and doing fine.

You can add my 80 y/o mother to the "survived Covid" list as well.

Anywho -vindication - it's what's for dinner......along with crow for the likes of The Other David, who seem so busy relishing the deaths of unvaccinated folks that they can't acknowledge the facts that run counter to their cherry picked "science"......

The High Cost of Disparaging Natural Immunity to Covid
Vaccines were wasted on those who didn’t need them, and people who posed no risk lost jobs.

By Marty Makary
Jan. 26, 2022 11:52 am ET

Public-health officials ruined many lives by insisting that workers with natural immunity to Covid-19 be fired if they weren’t fully vaccinated. But after two years of accruing data, the superiority of natural immunity over vaccinated immunity is clear. By firing staff with natural immunity, employers got rid of those least likely to infect others. It’s time to reinstate those employees with an apology.

For most of last year, many of us called for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to release its data on reinfection rates, but the agency refused. Finally last week, the CDC released data from New York and California, which demonstrated natural immunity was 2.8 times as effective in preventing hospitalization and 3.3 to 4.7 times as effective in preventing Covid infection compared with vaccination.

Yet the CDC spun the report to fit its narrative, bannering the conclusion “vaccination remains the safest strategy.” It based this conclusion on the finding that hybrid immunity—the combination of prior infection and vaccination—was associated with a slightly lower risk of testing positive for Covid. But those with hybrid immunity had a similar low rate of hospitalization (3 per 10,000) to those with natural immunity alone. In other words, vaccinating people who had already had Covid didn’t significantly reduce the risk of hospitalization.

Similarly, the National Institutes of Health repeatedly has dismissed natural immunity by arguing that its duration is unknown—then failing to conduct studies to answer the question. Because of the NIH’s inaction, my Johns Hopkins colleagues and I conducted the study. We found that among 295 unvaccinated people who previously had Covid, antibodies were present in 99% of them up to nearly two years after infection. We also found that natural immunity developed from prior variants reduced the risk of infection with the Omicron variant. Meanwhile, the effectiveness of the two-dose Moderna vaccine against infection (not severe disease) declines to 61% against Delta and 16% against Omicron at six months, according to a recent Kaiser Southern California study. In general, Pfizer’s Covid vaccines have been less effective than Moderna’s.

The CDC study and ours confirm what more than 100 other studies on natural immunity have found: The immune system works. The largest of these studies, from Israel, found that natural immunity was 27 times as effective as vaccinated immunity in preventing symptomatic illness.

None of this should surprise us. For years, studies have shown that infection with the other coronaviruses that cause severe illness, SARS and MERS, confers lasting immunity. In a study published in May 2020, Covid-recovered monkeys that were rechallenged with the virus didn’t get sick.

Public-health officials have a lot of explaining to do. They used the wrong starting hypothesis, ignored contrary preliminary data, and dug in as more evidence emerged that called their position into question. Many, including Rochelle Walensky, now the CDC’s director, signed the John Snow memorandum in October 2020, which declared that “there is no evidence for lasting protective immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following natural infection.”

Many clinicians who talk to other physicians nationwide had have long observed that we don’t see reinfected patients end up on a ventilator or die from Covid, with rare exceptions who almost always have immune disorders. Meanwhile, public-health officials recklessly destroyed the careers of everyday Americans, rallying to fire pilots, truck drivers and others in the supply-chain workforce who didn’t get vaccinated. And in the early months of the vaccine rollout, when supplies were limited, we could have saved many more lives by giving priority to those who didn’t have recorded natural immunity.

The failure to recognize the data on natural immunity is hurting U.S. hospitals, especially in rural areas. MultiCare, a hospital system in Washington state, fired 55 staff members on Oct. 18 for being out of compliance with Gov. Jay Inslee’s vaccine mandate—and that was in addition to an undisclosed number of staffers who quit ahead of the vaccination deadline. The loss of workers contributed to a full-blown staffing crisis.

It got so bad that the hospital summoned staff who were Covid-positive to return to work even if they were sick, according to an internal memo obtained by Jason Rantz of KTTH radio. The memo stated that “positive staff with mild to moderate illness” could work, so long as they wear appropriate personal protective equipment, don’t take breaks with others, and agree to stay home “if symptoms worsen.” Managers were recommended to assign Covid-positive staff to Covid-positive patients and vaccinated patients, but not immunosuppressed patients.

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services took the hospital mandate national by decreeing that all medical facilities under its jurisdiction require vaccination for employees, including those with natural immunity. The Supreme Court upheld the rule on Jan. 13, the same day it issued a stay against a similar mandate from the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, which OSHA formally withdrew Tuesday.

Connecticut has suspended its vaccine mandate for state employees, and Starbucks is rehiring employers fired for being unvaccinated. Other states and businesses should follow their lead. Politicians and public-health officials owe an apology to Americans who lost their jobs on the false premises that only unvaccinated people could spread the virus and only vaccination could prevent its spread. Soldiers who have been dishonorably discharged should be restored their rank. Teachers, first responders, and others who have been denied their livelihood should be reinstated. Everyone is essential.

Dr. Makary is a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine and author of “The Price We Pay: What Broke American Health Care and How to Fix It.”

 

[Steelshot Scott]

So how do you know you had delta and not the original?

Because once a new variant comes out, that is all that anyone catches. Same way that no one has died of natural causes/pneumonia/flu since the "pandemic" started.

 

[Lip Shooter]

Same way that no one has died of natural causes/pneumonia/flu since the "pandemic" started.

I had no idea people quit dying from natural causes since covid. Do you happen to have a link, I may enjoy learning from your source.

 

[stump]

Do you happen to have a link, I may enjoy learning from your source.

Haha... good luck on that.... but, never know.

 

[Steelshot Scott]

When I say no one has died of natural causes, I mean almost everyone who dies is classified as covid, possible covid or probable covid. The actual cause of death might be a heart attack, caused by complications from covid. They might have died from their diabetes, from complications from covid. This way the death is double dipped, the numbers go into their actual statistic, but then it is also reused in the covid statistic. I heard a doctor on the news talk about it once, but I can't find it now.

If you want to see how Google is manipulated, when I punch in NOAA(for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration), the first five links are for the Weather Channel.