Well, what's the game plan boyz............

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  1. WuChang

    WuChang Elite Refuge Member

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    You obviously didn’t look at the matrix and the drop of population and pond numbers that would trigger a reduction of days and limits for Liberal to Moderate to Restricted to Closed.
    No problem, it is only based on data collected since 1955.

    Been hunting for over 50 years now and I have heard this 'duck stamp sales' jazz for years yet no one points out that in the past 81 years only 3 times has the numbers dropped below 1 million .....that includes the 3 and 30 days and even during the point system days.

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    https://deltawaterfowl.org/usfws-report-u-s-duck-hunter-numbers-duck-harvest-decreased-in-2019-2020/

    Make that 4 years....... 2019-2020 was 869,900 per the FWS.....
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    https://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/...rveys/MBHActivityHarvest2018-19and2019-20.pdf

    4 out of 81/82 years

    Yep.....all about duck stamp sales



    For 2021-2022, the season frameworks and bag limits are already set, so cancellation of the 2021 survey won’t impact this season. However, the 2022-2023 season structure and bag limits could be impacted by a lack of survey data from 2021. The USFWS will rely on long-term data to set hunting seasons for 2022-2023, much like it did for this upcoming season.

    “The (USFWS) fully expects to allow migratory bird hunting during the 2022-2023 hunting season. For species with missing data, the (USFWS) will carefully assess expected population abundance and growth rates and allow harvest based on projections derived from long-term data including harvest, survival and reproduction, and population models,” according to the USFWS statement. “For the general duck seasons, the (USFWS) will use the long-term data and models to predict 2021 spring abundances of ducks and habitat conditions in place of the spring 2021 data, which cannot be collected. The results from these predictions will be combined with the existing harvest strategies to determine appropriate levels of harvest for the 2022-2023 season. This will ensure the sustainability of ducks and provide hunting opportunities for the American public.”

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    https://deltawaterfowl.org/2021-waterfowl-breeding-population-and-habitat-survey-cancelled/


    Mallards, the most popular duck species for hunters in the North American continent’s four different flyways, showed a breeding population number of 9.42 million breeders in 2019, up 2 percent from the 2018 figure of 9.26 million breeders. What’s more, this year’s greenhead breeding duck figure is some 19 percent above the LTA figure.

    Gadwalls reversed the big drop they suffered a year ago, rising 13 percent from the 2.89 million breeders recorded in 2018 to 3.26 million breeders this year. And like the mallard, federal officials say that his year’s gadwall figure is well above the LTA mark, too. In fact, gadwalls – or gray ducks as some call them – are a whopping 61 percent above that 1955-2018 LTA figure.

    Green-winged teal are another bright spot in this year’s breeding duck numbers report, checking in at 3.18 million birds in 2019 as compared to 3.04 million in 2018. That’s not only a 4-percent increase from a year ago, it also puts greenwings some 47 percent above the LTA.


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    https://www.gameandfishmag.com/editorial/duck-population-status-report-2019/365407

    As always.......your mileage may vary
     
  2. Billboard Man

    Billboard Man Senior Refuge Member

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    I understand the numbers, threshold for duck stamp sales must be around 1.5 million. The pond index was low enough 3 years ago to drop to moderate--no change made. Now you have two years with no data. USFWS as useless as KDWPT in my opinion.
     
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    The parameters to meet moderate are close to non existent. Liberal seasons unless a mallard population crash in conjunction with a crash in pond numbers. That tells me that printing same regulations since late 90s, and now a two year data gap, nothing will change on seasons or limits.
     
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    BPOP-Ponds matrix.jpg
    Mallard breeding 2017 10.5 million May Ponds 4.3
    Mallard breeding 2018 9.26 million May Ponds 3.66
    Mallard breeding 2019 9.42 million May Ponds 2.85

    You can figure out how massive a shift in pond numbers and population would have to happen to hit a Moderate season of 4 and 45
     
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    I'm not concerned with USFWS data at this point. Kansas can set any bag limits (or season lengths, for that matter) they want as long as they don't EXCEED federal maximums.
    It's time Kansas started considering doing exactly that.
     
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    Wu, thanks for posting the chart. Unless there is a crash in mallards and the pond index there are no season changes. USFWS should drop back to surveys every three years, with season parameters the same for three years with changes possible after the survey year. Goal of the chart, nothing changes, duck stamps stable or rising. Saved money can be used for more land acquisitions.

    Tuleman, I doubt Kansas falls below Federal bag limits, seasons. The risk is losing hunters to other states. I agree it might help the crowding situation, but like the proposed change for goose limit that seemed "in the bag" the money talks.
     
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    Two more items for thought Tuleman: ever think about why the Kansas pheasant limit is 4? Why many reservoirs had crappie limit at 50 for years? Finally, some waters have gone to 20 crappie per day and fishing has improved...hmmm.

    An area the USFWS has cut: enforcement. Derby office permanently closed, nearest special agents are in other states, and Kansas utilizing a refuge officer for Federal court cases. State enforcement remains a training ground for Oklahoma and Texas---but the pay, benefits, and work are better in those states.
     
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    I don't know that the reduction in crappie limits to 20 has improved the fishing. The last two times we fished for crappie at Kanopolis was pretty bad. Even the last time (Thursday) we only got seven for the two of us. (the time before, three of us got ONE.)
    Last year when the limit was 50, it wasn't unusual for three of us to limit out in May. Oh, well.
    I agree that LE cuts have hurt us noticeably. A sad situation for certain, especially for KDWP LEO's.
     
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    How else is Kansas going to effectively relieve the over-pressure from too many hunters hunting too many days if it doesn't lose hunters ?? :scratch
    Help me out here...


    Exactly!!
    Isn't that very the condition we are trying to address?
     
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