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Discussion in 'The Duck Hunters Forum' started by stevena198301, Jun 30, 2021.
That is the most backwards thinking statement I have seen on the 'fuge in a long time.
I'm guessing most of all this he should have she should have is a mistrust of the American judicial system! The enforcement part usually happens the way it should. The judicial system these days I'm not to sure. Judges are elected or appointed by the people who the commonwealth elect. That means your vote counts. If you don't vote shut hell up.
hint: I learned a long time ago shooting my mouth off and resisting arrest serves no good and finds me Infront of a magistrate. I may have been right in my actions according to what I thought my rights were but my right according to the system were completely different. I've read plenty of police reports that were completely bullstuff. Most times I was breaking the law to begin with they just made up the wrong story to tell the judge. Some of the time they were wrong in what they did and made up a story to cover thier ***. When you get pulled over the 1st thing an officer should see is your ID hanging out the window. When an officer is pointing a gun at you the 1st thing that happens is you obey whatever he tells you to do. If you feel your living in oppressive overbearing police state your "free" to leave. I'll take what you pussies think is an overbearing police state too say ....... Like communism or maybe socialism or fascism. You know where cops don't need weapons because they took all of yours away and all they have to do is beat you to submission or or worse. Sweden check it out! No police zones. The swedish police will not go into them because they get shot at as soon as they enter. All I have to say is wake up libtard and quit thinking about Nirvana. My god that book Siddhartha was painful to try and read. Long winded snooze fest. If a cop tells you to put your hands up! You put your hands up!
You guys are right. Anyone who has a different opinion than you is wrong.
This is why I hesitated to state my opinion.
My position is my opinion is my opinion.
Yours is that your opinion is the only opinion.
Must be nice.
Good Lord, do you even read what you write? You are the one who claimed "I am not wrong."
Yes, can you not comprehend what I am saying?
I am saying that because my opinion is different from yours doesn't make it wrong.
We have no way of proving who is wrong or right. There is no teacher's edition with the correct answer in the back. We have no way of knowing what would have happened if things had been done differently. We have no way of knowing it would have resulted in a blood bath if the Fed had been allowed to provide his ID.
I don't know if we have been able to determine which LEO you are supposed to obey. The one who pulls his gun first? Both of these guys were LEO's.
Legally, when the cops pulled the gun on the Fed, could he legally pull his firearm and defend himself? Doesn't Federal law overide local law?
Yes, the fed could have just laid on the ground like a good sheep, but I think the cops should have had enough sense to let him provide his ID.
If you think cops are justified to treat suburban teenagers on Schwinns the same as facially tattooed gang bangers, then I don't know what to say to you.
Think of this scenario. I encounter a man in my backyard. He is in plain clothes. I order him to the ground. He informs we that he is a undercover cop. I tell him to get on the ground. He wants to provide his ID. He refuses to get on the ground. I shoot him(I don't have a taser).
Did I just murder a police officer? Or was it justified because I gave him a order and he didn't obey?
Is my life not as valuable as a LEO's? I was in fear for my life and he refused to comply. I had no proof he was a cop just because he said so.
I would let him provide his ID.
If I shot a cop, irreguardless of his refusal to obey my orders, issued under the same duress as the orders given by the officers in this video be given the same weight?
It would not. I would be charged for murder of a Law Enforcement Officer. Because in every case I have ever heard of, once a cop identifies himself verbally as a cop, it is considered 1st degree murder if you shoot him.
What if I tased him? I guarantee you that if I tased a cop because he wanted to provide ID rather than comply with my orders in my own home, I would be charged.
Why am I required to let him provide ID when cops are not? Is my life not as valuable as a cop's life?
I could be wrong but I am pretty sure you have been wrong on every shooting incident posted on these forums that you commented on. No way would I follow your thought process.
I agree. That's not remotely close to the same as "I am not wrong," but I've been wrong enough in my life to not assume my opinion is the only correct one. Your black and white way of viewing things is where you so often get sideways. There's a whole lot of nuance in every encounter. Then there the fact that if a cop orders you to do something you should do it even if you know he's in the wrong, and you deal with the wrong done through legal means after the fact. The fact a trained agent thinks he's above this tells me his ego is a big problem.
I have been in that exact situation. If the officer had asked me to dance to rap music, I would have given it my best!
I never said my opinion was the only one. I said that I thought that they should have let him provide his ID. I said that if a cop is so afraid that he can't let a fellow officer provide ID, then maybe he needs a less stressful job.
All I said was that I thought they should have had enough common sense to let a man, dressed like a plain clothes cop with a clipboard in his hand, provide his ID.
You haven't answered my question. If I encounter a undercover cop in my home and he identifies himself as a cop, do I have to let him provide ID, or can I shoot him? He has a gun after all and is not complying with my orders in my home while I am defending my family.