Exactly my point! Winchester made a lot of Model 12's. Browning made a lot of A5's. And they all still work. The reason was that they were both very expensive for their day and their owners took care of them. They were handed down from father to son to grandson. And lovingly maintained. And still used today. I have two A5's and a M12 in my gun safe right now. The A5's went hunting this year already and will go again. I will hunt the M12 next season now that I have had the full choke opened up to modified. I wonder what the percentage of 870 Express guns from the 90's are still even operational. Not saying that it is a bad gun. Saying it is a cheap gun that people with little to no gun savvy bought and didn't take care of. There are a lot of people with gun savvy that have it as well(not to mention it is a predominate law enforcement choice), just stating a fact about it being a cheap gun. I am amazed by the number of people nowadays that don't care for their firearms properly. People that seem proud they don't clean their gun for the entire season. People who are proud of how rusty and beat up their gun is. I have seen people who buy expensive guns and don't maintain them. The M12 and A5 were guns that were favored by duck hunters, much like the SBE is favored today. I have no doubt that if the SBE had been invented in 1912 and used with extended mag tubes and no magazine plugs, the duck would be extinct today and we would only see them in museums. But that was not the case. If the cheap 870 Express been around in 1915, I am sure it would have slain untold numbers of ducks. A cheap,throwaway gun available to the masses might have driven waterfowl to extinction. But it was not there. Luckily for us today.