Elite Refuge Member
- Jul 22, 2003
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- Gig Harbor
^^^ this!Most people simply look at gas mileage or battery range when looking at efficiency and environmental impact. But we really should be looking at total cost per mile, and total environmental impact over the life of that vehicle. I drive one of the least fuel efficient trucks out there right now in a Tundra, but if it lasts for 3-400,000 miles without any major repairs, how does that compare to the impact that a truck that gets 20 mpgs, but has to have a new transmission put in during that time span, or a new starter and water pump and an alternator to make it to 3-400,000 miles? New parts are made of metal which has to be mined and refined and parts made etc. We are saving money on gas in these newer cars, but we are adding computers and silicon chips and evaporative systems to catch gas vapors, but how does the amount of energy and materials of these new parts compare to the amount of gas savings that they are producing? No one ever brings up the pollution that is created or energy used to mine, refine, and produce the parts that give us miniscule gas mileage improvement or pollution reduction on the car. Take a modern diesel truck with the DEF systems. The trucks are less fuel efficient, break down more often and have to replace parts on them. Is the reduced pollution out of the tailpipe really any better than burning more fuel and having to make new parts to replace everything that continues to fail on them.
You are very fortunate that WA has the lowest electricity rates in the country (largely due to hydropower). Here in CA my marginal electricity rate is $0.52/kWh and rising fast - up over 20% over the past year.Most of your electric cars get 3.5 ish miles per kw. i bought a dumb charger ( no need for anything else because the car does it all). For $500 And plugged it into a 220 outlet. Our electricity is at$.08 a kw. Honestly we did not really notice a difference in our electric bills. Our weather makes a difference but the car not really.
EVs as a vote for communism is just silly hyperbolic talk. We are building battery plants, expanding Li production, and many of the cars are being built in the good ole USA. Seems like that might provide a few jobs. Last I heard Tesla is a U.S. corporation and Musk pays taxes. The fact that Teslas are huge in China means that we are benefitting from that?
folks will take their kayak ducking by bus…not really, they won’t be taking it anywhereseeing more and more charging stations going up all over the place but still not enough to handle a complete mandated transition the government wants nor the infrastructure to support them. won't be long like CA where it will be mandated to shut down your heat or AC due to energy blackouts as the push mandated EV's on us. If the government is smart, they steal the next presidential election and jack up the cost of gas to $8 to $10 on top of the mandates to the automotive industry to stop producing gas and diesel powered engine. many folks are going to have a rude awakening when they need to replace their batteries with the cost. won't be long before the disposal fee for batteries will go sky high with the problem of dumping them somewhere. and when we are stuck with just EV's the cost of batteries and electricity to charge them will sky rocket when we have no options.
hoping I will still be able to burn a bit more coal out of my 7.3 for a couple more years before the cost gets to crazy. maybe I need to look into fueling my diesel with recycled cooking grease. nahhh.folks will take their kayak ducking by bus…not really, they won’t be taking it anywhere
You are absolutely right. Those affordable rates have been what has prevented me from having already purchased solar. However, we are possibly going to be building an ADU (about 1250sq ft) that will be our retirement home. If we get to do that (that is the plan right now) then we will price in net zero solar. It will be set up that it charges my cars first and then if there is more solar it will turn the meter backwards and I only use the grid occasionally.You are very fortunate that WA has the lowest electricity rates in the country (largely due to hydropower). Here in CA my marginal electricity rate is $0.52/kWh and rising fast - up over 20% over the past year.
Wait until they start taking the dams down and replacing it with solar...
TroofIs this like the perennial ev evangelist argument that “the better bstteries are just around the corner”
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Ev evangelism is so annoying. I have nothing against the tech itself. If it’s a better mousetrap it will be adopted by free consumers in a free market.
When Biden and other fascists force it upon their slaves (I mean citizens) it’s not a better mousetrap it’s just a cash cow for folks who want to destroy America.
When the message is.. Don't y'all be worried, we got this! I'm worried.Ev evangelism is so annoying.