Outfitter Regulations

[Horsemen]

If you believe that, then you've never been to Cheyenne Bottoms when it had water and before the guide ban on public.
Also you may not be aware of the OOS'ers who come for a 3-day guided package, then stay for another week hunting public on their own.
And that would be most of them.....

That is an exceptionally false statement. I know this to be fact, not a "hunch".

 

[WuChang]

1. I don’t care what someone does with their ground

2. Sounds like you’re old enough to realize when a duck gets pressured from Canada starting in sept all the way down the flyway. They may start getting a little more nocturnal and acting a little different. Seems to be the last 6-7 years since guiding in Canada

3. I don’t care how old you are, if you’ve sucked at killing a mallard duck that long. I can see why you get on here to argue on every state forum there is.

4. Most clients use a guide to see what the area offers and where the birds come from. Come back next year with 8-10 coonasses and rotate out every week.

5. What guide service do you use? Or own?

Well bless your heart
For someone that doesn't care what people do on their own ground, you sure have built up a head of steam on the subject

I have stated several times that ducks leaving Canada being nocturnal

Yeah, I've sucked at hunting ducks in Canada as well as Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Illinois, Arkansas and Louisiana. I was invited to suck at killing ducks in Mexico but my employer had strange ideas about actually doing some work for my paycheck.
Got invited to suck at killing doves in Argentina this year but the thought of a 17 plus hour plane ride ...not counting lay overs just didn't excite me....

After all, l I can suck at not killing ducks here in Missouri where the area I hunt was ranked best in Missouri and 28th best place out of 3,115 counties to kill a duck. I once thought about going to Barton County KS, ranked best place to kill a duck in Kansas and 98th best in those 3,115 counties but I keep asking myself why would I make it even easier to suck at killing a duck?

Since guides aren't allowed to guide on public areas, how would a client get any meaningful info on coming back next year and hunting WMAs?
You sure you aren't confusing fishing with duck hunting?

I have hunted with folks that you would recognize from DUTV.....before they got famous and were guiding while their wives were working full time jobs to keep the bills paid.
These days, I hunt private ground but since I suck at hunting ducks, you wouldn't want to hunt with me.

I realize you are a Kansas resident but if you are having that much difficulty killing ducks, you might want to consider a 3 day package with a reputable guide service because everyone knows the guides and their clients limit everyday and twice on Sunday.

 

[WuChang]

If you believe that, then you've never been to Cheyenne Bottoms when it had water and before the guide ban on public.
Also you may not be aware of the OOS'ers who come for a 3-day guided package, then stay for another week hunting public on their own.
And that would be most of them.....

That is an exceptionally false statement. I know this to be fact, not a "hunch".

He knows it.
He also knows the KDWP data indicates that NRs hunt 4 days on average.

 

[816]

Nothing new. Do you know how the Kansas WIHA program has been working (for decades)?

I think this is a middle ground program that Delta has been using in Canada. With a lot of the previous programs that couldn't touch the land.

Delta Waterfowl's "Working Wetlands" program in Canada provides farmers with annual payments to conserve small wetlands on their land, allowing them to continue working the land while also benefiting waterfowl habitat. This program is part of Delta Waterfowl's broader efforts to work with farmers to protect and enhance breeding duck habitat in the Canadian prairies.

 

[bill cooksey]

Seems to be the last 6-7 years since guiding in Canada

Since there's always been guiding in Canada, I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. Until spinners, most of them focused on geese in the fields and would set sports on a pothole if they wanted to kill some ducks. Spinners radically changed the duck game in Canada and many northern states. If spinners ceased to exist, outfitters up there would be back focusing primarily on geese.

And that would be most of them.....

Could you provide a link to that data? I've known a lot of folks who've gone on guided trips in KS (and most other duck states), but can't think of one who made a habit of traveling to hunt with a guide for a few days and then staying a week to hunt without a guide. I'm sure it happens, but I'm also pretty sure it's the exception. BTW, I've also known people who only freelance when they travel to KS. Have since the early 90s.

Wait, in '92 a buddy and I were camping out and hunting Bayou Meto in AR for five days. We killed some ducks, but it rained buckets the whole time and our camp flooded while we were hunting the fourth day. We came in, packed up and checked into a hotel to dry out. Called a guide and booked a rice field hunt for the last morning. Killed some ducks and stayed dry for the first time that trip, so I guess I have done the public freelance plus guided hunt trip before.

 

[Old Critter]

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Since there's always been guiding in Canada, I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. Until spinners, most of them focused on geese in the fields and would set sports on a pothole if they wanted to kill some ducks. Spinners radically changed the duck game in Canada and many northern states. If spinners ceased to exist, outfitters up there would be back focusing primarily on geese.


Could you provide a link to that data? I've known a lot of folks who've gone on guided trips in KS (and most other duck states), but can't think of one who made a habit of traveling to hunt with a guide for a few days and then staying a week to hunt without a guide. I'm sure it happens, but I'm also pretty sure it's the exception. BTW, I've also known people who only freelance when they travel to KS. Have since the early 90s.

Wait, in '92 a buddy and I were camping out and hunting Bayou Meto in AR for five days. We killed some ducks, but it rained buckets the whole time and our camp flooded while we were hunting the fourth day. We came in, packed up and checked into a hotel to dry out. Called a guide and booked a rice field hunt for the last morning. Killed some ducks and stayed dry for the first time that trip, so I guess I have done the public freelance plus guided hunt trip before.

I’m of an age and circulate with a lotta guys who go on guided hunts every year. They start in Canada, then hunt private stateside and finish up with one or two guided hunt further south.

They do this year after year. I’ve been with them a few times, but mostly freelance or hunt my own farms. Regardless, I’ve spent enough time with these travelers to know none of them ever dragged a Hallmark on a guided hunt som they could freelance afterwards. Like Bill said, it simply doesn’t happen, or happens so infrequently that it’s of no consequence.

If you have some data or can pony up examples, please do.

 

[Tuleman]

That is an exceptionally false statement. I know this to be fact, not a "hunch".

What you appear to NOT know is how EVERY NR in Kansas hunts.

 

[WuChang]

What you appear to NOT know is how EVERY NR in Kansas hunts.

KDWP stats would indicate the average NR hunts 4 days which would seem to be the end of story

 

[JP]

Nah, but I'm pretty much hell bent against making up scenarios, that basically never happen, as a means to set policy or collect fees. That's beyond stupid....there isn't even a name for how stupid that is....people just hear it and kick dirt because they don't have a word for something that stupid.

Imagine if air travel was that stupid.

Ever hear of Crane Wreckers G/O in Texas? Hear about one of their clients that was shot (accidentally) by another during a hunt?

 

[Grif]

Ever hear of Crane Wreckers G/O in Texas? Hear about one of their clients that was shot (accidentally) by another during a hunt?

I worked a case once where two shell casings were found at a suicide. Ever hear of that?