Outfitter Regulations

[JP]

Worrying about a farmer’s exposure if a hunter is injured is a silly, misplaced argument. What freelancer knocks on a farmer’s door and presents a copy of his insurance certificate and a hold-harmless agreement. If you don’t do it why should an outfitter?

Do I believe an outfitter should be licensed, carry sufficient insurance and pay withholding on his employees? Of course I do. But that’s for the state and Feds to regulate, not you.

And leasing land to a single entity makes perfect sense for the farmer. He can negotiate insurance and land usage with the individual lessee or the outfitter. And he knows who to look to if his field is rutted up or trash left behind.
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And why the flap about how much money the outfitter is making? If he’s running a legal business, more power to him. No different than any business a poster here might run.

I get outfitting and leasing are interfering with your freelancing freebie. Mine too. But you gotta come up with worthy arguments against it. Just being a blue-collar weekend hunter and being cut out of your hobby isn’t going to cut it.

In your first sentence, you are conflating asking for permission to trespass with paying for trespass while operating a for-profit business. Apples to oranges.

I lease ground and have gone on G/O hunts. In those instances a legal agreement was executed with the lessor and the G/O's were registered and carried liability coverage as they were legitimate operations, not a wildcatter skating around.

 

[JP]

I worked a case once where two shell casings were found at a suicide. Ever hear of that?

Yessir, Arkancide is well documented.

 

[JP]

I generally hate the concept of pay to play hunting but your guys arguments are so weak I find myself defending the pay concept. You guys claim none of them are “legitimate business’s” but offer no proof. Are all lawn and garden business’s all a bunch of tax cheats??? They also deal in a lot of cash.

As far as farmer Browns liability, what business is it of yours? It’s a transaction between two private parties. The net result is nobodies business but theirs!

Until something goes wrong and the law firm of Dewey, Cheatham & Howe shows up.

 

[kansascutter]

I worked a case once where two shell casings were found at a suicide. Ever hear of that?

Yes. The crank was so good the idiot missed with the first shot. Darwin and the good Lord corrected the situation on the 2nd try.

 

[kansascutter]

In your first sentence, you are conflating asking for permission to trespass with paying for trespass while operating a for-profit business. Apples to oranges.

I lease ground and have gone on G/O hunts. In those instances a legal agreement was executed with the lessor and the G/O's were registered and carried liability coverage as they were legitimate operations, not a wildcatter skating around.

You are correct JP. Old Critter hasn’t a clue about what’s actually happening in Gods country. His diarrhea of the mouth is nothing but conjecture and hyperbole. One only has to look at the regulations bestowed on Guides/Outfitters operating in KS…. There are zero, none, nada

 

[Renobber]

Well bless your heart
For someone that doesn't care what people do on their own ground, you sure have built up a head of steam on the subject

I have stated several times that ducks leaving Canada being nocturnal

Yeah, I've sucked at hunting ducks in Canada as well as Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Illinois, Arkansas and Louisiana. I was invited to suck at killing ducks in Mexico but my employer had strange ideas about actually doing some work for my paycheck.
Got invited to suck at killing doves in Argentina this year but the thought of a 17 plus hour plane ride ...not counting lay overs just didn't excite me....

After all, l I can suck at not killing ducks here in Missouri where the area I hunt was ranked best in Missouri and 28th best place out of 3,115 counties to kill a duck. I once thought about going to Barton County KS, ranked best place to kill a duck in Kansas and 98th best in those 3,115 counties but I keep asking myself why would I make it even easier to suck at killing a duck?

Since guides aren't allowed to guide on public areas, how would a client get any meaningful info on coming back next year and hunting WMAs?
You sure you aren't confusing fishing with duck hunting?

I have hunted with folks that you would recognize from DUTV.....before they got famous and were guiding while their wives were working full time jobs to keep the bills paid.
These days, I hunt private ground but since I suck at hunting ducks, you wouldn't want to hunt with me.

I realize you are a Kansas resident but if you are having that much difficulty killing ducks, you might want to consider a 3 day package with a reputable guide service because everyone knows the guides and their clients limit everyday and twice on Sunday.

Holy Chit!! We have a Phuckin Legend on our hands! You hunted with the dudes from DUTV Wow! now that is being in the know there! Calm down Ira, your brother is still cooler than you. You must of been an Engineer, everything looks good on paper but doesnt quite work out when you get out in the field and see it with your own eyes. Sorry, I am not trying to insult you Mr. Weimer

 

[WuChang]

Holy Chit!! We have a Phuckin Legend on our hands! You hunted with the dudes from DUTV Wow! now that is being in the know there! Calm down Ira, your brother is still cooler than you. You must of been an Engineer, everything looks good on paper but doesnt quite work out when you get out in the field and see it with your own eyes. Sorry, I am not trying to insult you Mr. Weimer

Good….now that we have that out of the way….what else is on your mind?

 

[Tuleman]

KDWP stats would indicate the average NR hunts 4 days which would seem to be the end of story

Would seem to be, but.....
Where does the KDWP get that data?
...from the NR's, of course.

And we know how reliable hunters are when they self-report. If they report at all......

 

[816]

Well apparently enough of them did report a longer stay to make the average 4, because that is how averages work.

Commision Meeting 8/14/25

I am trying to get the slides they used to speak to who is coming and staying in KS. The commissioners hadn't looked at it and the presenter couldn't see what they were seeing, so the discussion was very disjointed. Trying to read the transcript didn't help.

Was able to gleam that the largest group of the "southern invasion" is still Missouri. I guess I will say I believe that is true! Which makes sense. Original the draw wasn't even Kansas but the extra mallard.

Sorry I was going to list the time stamps for waterfowl discussion but did not!

 

[Old Critter]

You are correct JP. Old Critter hasn’t a clue about what’s actually happening in Gods country. His diarrhea of the mouth is nothing but conjecture and hyperbole. One only has to look at the regulations bestowed on Guides/Outfitters operating in KS…. There are zero, none, nada

Let me guess as to your real issue. You have no private hunting and fear farmer/outfitter leasing is getting in the way of your freelancing freebie. And you don’t like your ox being gored, so you lash out here.